Free, on Jan 21 2006, 07:27 AM, said:
Both penalty for me:
1. you can bid 2NT as takeout.
2. passing first means you don't have a takeout. When it can't be takeout, it's penalty.
1. you can bid 2NT as takeout.
2. passing first means you don't have a takeout. When it can't be takeout, it's penalty.
Both are penalty.

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