Do you have any options on this hand?
Quo Vadis? How high and how quick?
#1
Posted 2006-January-20, 08:17
Do you have any options on this hand?
#2
Posted 2006-January-20, 08:19
Luis
#3
Posted 2006-January-20, 08:25
Arend
#4
Posted 2006-January-20, 08:53
#5 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2006-January-20, 09:20
I am surprised that luis, the one who is always preempting the opponents, doesn't do so here white/red with 3 major suit cards and 5-5 shape.
BTW as usual I am not willing to accept that 3D shows a club fit.
#6
Posted 2006-January-20, 09:26
Jlall, on Jan 20 2006, 04:20 PM, said:
I am surprised that luis, the one who is always preempting the opponents, doesn't do so here white/red with 3 major suit cards and 5-5 shape.
BTW as usual I am not willing to accept that 3D shows a club fit.
I don't disagree with 5♣, but it surprises me that Justin would not take 3♦ as a fit-bid by a passed hand. Which passed hand that didn't open 2♦ or 3♦ would bid a natural 3♦ now without a club safety net if partner has a misfit?
Roland
#7
Posted 2006-January-20, 09:45
#8
Posted 2006-January-20, 10:08
#9
Posted 2006-January-20, 10:15
p-1♠-2♣-2♥
5♣-p - p - 5♥
p - p - ???
You heard the auction, pass or dbl or bid?
#10
Posted 2006-January-20, 10:16
#11 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2006-January-20, 10:21
Walddk, on Jan 20 2006, 10:26 AM, said:
Roland
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I would pass this hand first seat, and I would now bid 3D.
For people who preempt this hand and similar hands (or open 1D) I guess it would make sense for 3D to show a fit. With a fit, I would just raise. 3D is higher than 3C, so presumably I'm forcing to 4C opposite a non diamond fit. 3D is so much less preemptive than 4C, I cannot imagine a hand that I would bid 3D on as "fit" rather than 4C.
#12
Posted 2006-January-20, 10:42
Al_U_Card, on Jan 20 2006, 05:15 PM, said:
p-1♠-2♣-2♥
5♣-p - p - 5♥
p - p - ???
You heard the auction, pass or dbl or bid?
Double before partner gets strange ideas about "saving". I'll lead ♦K and take as much as I can against 5♥. I can't rule out that on some miraculous layout 5♥ is a make, but I doubt it.
Roland
#13 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2006-January-20, 10:47
Of course if the opponents are crazy mark me down for X lol.
#14
Posted 2006-January-20, 11:11
I want pard to make an intelligent decision at the 6 level. We are always going to 5♣ on this hand.
I like a direct 6♣ too. Hopefully we have a negative or positive slam double in our arsenal.
#15
Posted 2006-January-20, 11:33
#16
Posted 2006-January-20, 11:46
I hate to save without a known double fit and when I have some kind of defensive prospects so I'm sticking with my original plan and bidding 4C. After all, RHO's free 2H doesn't promise the world and partner did make a 2/1 overcall. There just isn't enough of a guarantee for me that this is the opps hand and game will make.
Winston
#17
Posted 2006-January-20, 14:41
-P.J. Painter.
#18
Posted 2006-January-21, 03:38
#19
Posted 2006-January-22, 17:04
On the other side of the table, 5♥ presents a tough problem, which obviously depends on the kind of oppos you're facing (and I'd like to know at least if 2♥ is forcing or not). 5♥ is a funny bid in this auction: oppos should have something like 20 HCP. Give the guy a good heart suit (7 or 8 cards), and you start wondering why he did not bid 4♥ immediately. Maybe because 4♥ would be understood as a splinter supporting spades (horrible treatment in a competitive auction), but I think that the only explanation is that the ♥ bidder has some fit inspades. If we assume 10 cards (or 11) in the majors, 5♥ makes more sense. If pard had bid 4NT, I think we should go for 6♣: maybe we have been suckered, but 5♥ can make. Strangely, I'm less convinced to go for 6♣ over 5♣ by pard. Now oppos might have more points and controls 9including the diamond ace), and 5♥ might go down. Still, the safer bid would be 6♣ at IMPS; at MP, it is much more debatable.
#20
Posted 2006-January-22, 21:46
the only positive argument i see for bidding 3d,4d is if they bid a 5M confidently now maybe it will help my partner take a cheap save or X. but save over game at the 6level are not my cup of tea.
Ben
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."

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