[pclayton]

White on red, teams, long matches

Scoring: IMP

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West Opens 4♣, North passes, East bids 5♣, South Doubles
West passes, North bids 6♣, East bids 7♣, South Doubles, all pass

-1400. 6 of a major is -1.

Assign the blame between East, West and apportion whatever you feel to style.

[mike777]

I pass with west hand.
Prefer not to open 3 or 4clubs with outside ace or king

Assuming west opens some preempt, I pass with east hand. Prefer not to let the opp know of our huge club fit. Partner has made them guess at high level, prefer they make guess of what strain and level makes.

[Echognome]

I wouldn't have 4♣'d the West hand, but it worked. 5♣ by east is fine. The opps cannot blackwood and they have very little room.

I place the blame quite squarely on the East hand. Once he'd taken a view to bid 5♣, he bid his hand. The opponents will not get to the grand and he is offering them up a big penalty in a situation where it's not really clear whether the sac is phantom.

One view per hand please.

[P_Marlowe]

East.

5C was ok, but also the limit, he was one trick
for partner ... the shortahe in diamond.

East made North/South guess, he should be
content with this success.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mr1303]

Once upon a time that West hand was the world's most obvious 3♣ bid. Have things really changed that much?

Incidentally, the 7♣ bid was off this planet. It's certainly not hard to imagine there being two defensive tricks, especially if partner has the A of clubs. All he has is a load of defence.

[hotShot]

East!
5♣ was great NS will never find out if slam is in reach or not.
East violated the most important rule of preempts:
Never rise your own preempt!

[Free]

As West I wouldn't open 4♣, the hand is waaaaaaaaay too good for that, and I don't have a shortness. 1♣ or pass is my bid (unless playing moscito where it's a 2♣ opener).

After a 4♣ preempt from partner, I'd bid 6♣ with the East hand. NV vs V, let opps find their best fit now! Even 7♣ immediatly is better than bidding twice since I expect opps to have grand when partner opens 4m and I have nothing as well! If you're planning to sacrifice, do it immediatly so opps don't have 'tons' of information...

50-50.

[Gerben42]

After you bid your preempt once, don't volunteer again. Might get you to -650 or even +100!

[Blofeld]

East's fault. He should decide how far to preempt over 4♣ and stick with that. Nothing in the following auction is cause for him to seriously reevaluate his hand.

[bearmum]

pclayton, on Jan 19 2006, 05:54 PM, said:

White on red, teams, long matches

Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ xx ♥ Tx ♦ Kx ♣ KQJTxxx ♠ Qxx ♥ Qxxx ♦ xx ♣ xxxx

West Opens 4♣, North passes, East bids 5♣, South Doubles
West passes, North bids 6♣, East bids 7♣, South Doubles, all pass

-1400. 6 of a major is -1.

Assign the blame between East, West and apportion whatever you feel to style.

I personally would NOT open 4♣ with W hand

BUT as W did open 4♣ ---- once E has bid 5♣ he should NEVER [IMHO] bid again (UNLESS forced to by his P )

SO the bad result is 5% to W for opening 4♣ and 95% to E for his undisiplined (sp?) 7♣ bid

[inquiry]

It can never be right to bid 5♣ and then rebid 7♣ as both as preempts. What ever else, East has to take the heat for a poor bidding choices.

[pclayton]

I was West.

4♣ is a little offbeat, I admit. The best criticism of 3♣ is that it bypasses 3N. I think the proper call at these colors is a Pass. And 4♣ had nothing to do with the result.

But 7♣ is too strange for words. You are totally hanging pard for an undisciplined preempt at green. If I have my normal x, xxx, x, KQxxxxxx, I'm still 1400 against 1430. Theres nothing that precudes me from having a side King and/or Jack.

I also think preempting styles play a big role in these disasters.

[han]

I agree with your analysis Phil.

[Winstonm]

Your partner should not smoke crack at the table.

Winston

[jdeegan]

Seems pretty clear to me. 4♣ isn't really a very good bid with only seven pieces and a possible outside defensive trick, but is OK esp. against moderate opposition. 5♣ is fine, although any bid from pass to 6♣ could be justified based on table feel. If LHO's body language is aggressive, then 6♣ or even an off the wall 4♠ might work.

The real no, no, no is the 7♣ repreempt. For that to be right you need a really exotic hand and this ain't even close to that.

[Kalvan14]

Jlall, on Jan 19 2006, 10:54 AM, said:

I dont think in any preempting style east has a 7C bid.

Quite right. E already took a position by bidding 5♣, when effectively he is not bringing a lot to his pre-empting partner. Maybe he was lucky or it was the right bid for the wrong reasons (but it was already -800). To compound the offense unilaterally deciding that oppos can make a slam in a suit not yet picked up goes beyond words.
4♣ is a bit off-beat, but pre-empts cannot be too obvious all the time. An extra king is a venial sin, IMHO.

[000002]

Winstonm, on Jan 19 2006, 11:58 AM, said:

Your partner should not smoke crack at the table.

Winston

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