[adhoc3]

IMP games, Vul vs NON

KQx
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xx
AQTxxxxx

Your pd opened 1S, you repond with 2C, Pard 2H, now what you gonna do?

[mike777]

2s. slam try.

I cannot make a stronger bid, could be grand slam try.

[Free]

depends on the system... 2/1 would have a great 2♠ bid here, sayc or similar has to bid something else, probably 4th suit or so.

[adhoc3]

Ok, let's continue

1S---2C
2H---2S
4S---?

Now what?

If:
1S---2C
2H---2S
3C---?

[Blofeld]

You know, I'm rather tempted to rebid my 8-card suit.

[Free]

adhoc3, on Jan 15 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

Ok, let's continue

1S---2C
2H---2S
4S---?

Now what?

If:
1S---2C
2H---2S
3C---?

Still depends on the system. The first auction would never occur for me, since 4♠ is a ridiculous bid. Either start with 4th suit and use serious NT, or start cuebidding.

Second auction makes things easy, since partner shows a tophonour in our suit, which is the K. We only need to find a control ♦, so just bid 3NT. With a ♦ control, p will bid 4♦.

[cherdano]

Blofeld, on Jan 15 2006, 03:29 PM, said:

You know, I'm rather tempted to rebid my 8-card suit.

Maybe we should see a doc, or start anonymous 8-card suit rebidders.

[pclayton]

I'm OK with either 2♠ or 3♣ assuming 2/1. Where are the diamonds? If pard has a fragment, this potentially becomes a tricky hand, since pard probably needs to set up the club suit and draw trump ending in dummy. That task might be a problem if my hand gets tapped at T1.

If I rebid 2♠ then 4♠ shows a dead minimum, I have a legitimate worry about hands like: ♠AJxxx ♥AQxx ♦xxx ♣x.

Whats curious about this hand is that 6♣ is a fair spot, but make it a 5=4=4=0 and 6♣ has zero play. 5♣ is better than 4♠ too.

So I'll just pass 4♠.

I wonder what will happen if I rebid my 8-bagger?

[kgr]

Free, on Jan 15 2006, 11:34 AM, said:

depends on the system... 2/1 would have a great 2♠ bid here, sayc or similar has to bid something else, probably 4th suit or so.

in SAYC:
1♠-2♣
2♥-3♠
What does this show in SAYC? I thought it swows good ♣ suit, ♠ fit and interessed in slem. Or is that not standard?

[adhoc3]

1S---2C
2H---2S
4S---//

This sequence is out. A little bit better that what the opps have bid at my table:
1S---2C
2H---4S//


Depend on styles, the 3rd stage of the bidding:

1S---2C
2H---2S
3C---3NT(serious)
4D---??

1S---2C
2H---3C
3NT---??

You dont have voidwood available.

[HeartA]

Free, on Jan 15 2006, 08:54 AM, said:

Still depends on the system. The first auction would never occur for me, since 4♠ is a ridiculous bid. Either start with 4th suit and use serious NT, or start cuebidding.

Second auction makes things easy, since partner shows a tophonour in our suit, which is the K. We only need to find a control ♦, so just bid 3NT. With a ♦ control, p will bid 4♦.

never say never.

what do you suggest opener to bid with ♠AJxxx, ♥KQxx, ♦Qxx, ♣J?

[Fluffy]

I will play in ♣, dunno how many, I woudl bid 4♣, not 2♠

[adhoc3]

Fluffy, on Jan 16 2006, 03:27 PM, said:

I will play in ♣, dunno how many,  I woudl bid 4♣, not 2♠

Here's the Key.

Actual Bidding:
1S----2C
2H----4S//

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There's no hope for spade contract, but 7C is stone. The declarer was so hopeless when he found spade break 1-4. A beautiful 8 cards suit become wastage, 4 spade went down.

Interesting I had a very similar hand myself yesterday when planing at lobby:

♠Axx
♥AT9xxxxx
♦K
♣x

Pard opened 1S too:

1S-----2H
3C-----3S
pass.....ooops......arent we play 2/1?
"SAYC."

What's your plan if you were I?

[whereagles]

My feeling is that this hand should be dealt with great care and attention. It can be a huge double fit, but can also be a trap if pard has a singleton or void club and wasted red values.

As always, when one need to tread one's path carefully, staying low is the best option. I would start with rebidding 2 or 3♠, whichever is the forcing bid in your system.

Obviously, if pard is random, I might just shoot at 6♠ 2nd round

[Blofeld]

Jlall, on Jan 16 2006, 10:35 PM, said:

in 2/1 I would start 1S-2C-2H-2S-2N (shape). Now east knows he has a 10 card club fit.

Right, but how is he going to let West know about this?

It seems (to my naive viewpoint) that there's a significant danger into being endplayed into a spade contract if you bid 2♠ at your second chance.

[cherdano]

I think the actual layout is not untypical and the 4♠ bid got what it deserved. (I can understand 2♠ as you may still get the chance to bid clubs twice later, while you may never be able to show 3-card support after 3♣. I still prefer 3♣ though.)

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