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Your partner opens 1♦ and may have a 4 card major and 4 diamonds..
Do u bid and if so what?
How do u handle the potential rebids?
Does your decision change playing 2/1 or SAYC?
Do u think opps are likely to balance...
Steve
Your partner opens 1 Diamond... Playing 1D = 4+Ds (and weak NT)
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Posted 2006-January-11, 05:39
Your partner opens 1♦ and may have a 4 card major and 4 diamonds..
Do u bid and if so what?
How do u handle the potential rebids?
Does your decision change playing 2/1 or SAYC?
Do u think opps are likely to balance...
Steve
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Posted 2006-January-11, 05:55
I'd LIKE to bid 1♥ but can imagine the horrors caused by 2♠ or 2NT rebid from partner. I'll just pass, hoping to soon be playing a system that does not have opening 1-bids with 11 - 22 HCP.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 06:59
I would like to bid 1♥ and will do so.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 07:12
Pass.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 07:15
1♥, hopefully we are playing a 1NT rebid as 15-17/8 not 15-16. Pass is worthy of more consideration playing a strong NT, because the opponents are more likely to have a game (or, at least, the values to protect) if partner is short.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 07:38
badderzboy, on Jan 11 2006, 06:39 AM, said:
Scoring: MP
Your partner opens 1♦ and may have a 4 card major and 4 diamonds..
Do u bid and if so what?
How do u handle the potential rebids?
Does your decision change playing 2/1 or SAYC?
Do u think opps are likely to balance...
Steve
1h
will rebid 2h over 1nt and 1nt over 1s.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 08:57
1H. The only bid that scares me is 2S, hopefully I will get a 4C call more often 
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:03
Jlall, on Jan 11 2006, 09:57 AM, said:
1H. The only bid that scares me is 2S, hopefully I will get a 4C call more often
ditto. A 2NT rebid is also unpleasant but since 3H is forcing thereafter a pass would follow with only moderate discomfort.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:03
1♥. This is a minimum for me. With K-5th we pass.
Over 2♠, a lebensohl 2N. In my old Hardy 2/1 book it says pard only bids 3♣ with club tolerance. So at worst we'll play 3♣ or 3♦, but may back into a heart fit. If he has: AQJxx, x, AKQxxx, and rebids 3♠, I'll heard for the hills!
Over 2♠, a lebensohl 2N. In my old Hardy 2/1 book it says pard only bids 3♣ with club tolerance. So at worst we'll play 3♣ or 3♦, but may back into a heart fit. If he has: AQJxx, x, AKQxxx, and rebids 3♠, I'll heard for the hills!
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:26
1♥, i don't think pass can be right
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:41
I pass. I know there's a growing sentiment that almost any hand with an Ace should respond, but I haven't hopped on that bandwagon yet, especially considering that the standards for opening bids have declined in recent years.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:41
agree, 1♥.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:51
barmar, on Jan 11 2006, 10:41 AM, said:
I pass. I know there's a growing sentiment that almost any hand with an Ace should respond, but I haven't hopped on that bandwagon yet, especially considering that the standards for opening bids have declined in recent years.
I HOPE partner has opened with a very light modern opener, that is one of the best case scenarios for me. We will have a decent shot at screwing the opponents out of a game if their high cards are split.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 10:11
Jlall, on Jan 11 2006, 07:13 AM, said:
I guess jump shifts aren't game forcing anymore.
Haven't thought about that exact question for a loooonngggg time.
But if a decent 3-4 count is enough for a response, and a chunky 17 is a enough for a JS, should a jump shift be a game force? Of course, there are some 22's that we are making a JS on as well, even some 3 suited 24's.
Take my example auction of 1♦ - 1♥ - 2♠ - 2N. Perhaps with the upper end of the jump shift Opener needs to make another strong call.
There's been a lot of toys developed to help bridge these gaps, like 1/1/1 is a one round force.
And of course, there are several excellent ways for a semi-strong hand; +/- 19-22 that have been mentioned on BBF. Ryall, Gazzillii, French Std, my 2♣/2♦ all fit within these categories.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 12:54
As much as I tend to pass when I am weak partner's openings, here I would bid 1♥, if partner has 18 balanced I will try 4♥
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Posted 2006-January-11, 15:32
I bid 1♥. The plan is:
1♦ 1♥
1♠ 1NT
1♦ 1♥
2/3♦ pass
1♦ 1♥
2♠ 2NT.. whatever that means
1♦ 1♥
2NT 3♥ (forcing)
1♦ 1♥
1♠ 1NT
1♦ 1♥
2/3♦ pass
1♦ 1♥
2♠ 2NT.. whatever that means
1♦ 1♥
2NT 3♥ (forcing)
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Posted 2006-January-31, 04:45
1♥
The 4♥ are possible if partner has an outstanding hand (and I woun't miss it).
The 4♥ are possible if partner has an outstanding hand (and I woun't miss it).
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Posted 2006-February-01, 12:09
In classic K-S the style was:
1. respond 1 of a major over 1 of a minor much lighter than standard
2. do not jump shift over that on 19 or 20 with 4 spades
3. after a 1 over 1 over 1 auction, responder has to bid again unless his first bid was made with less than 6 HCP
4. jump shifts to 2S are game forcing (like normal), but are slightly better hands than normal
Note: since minor suit openings were sound the ranges for non-jump shifts are really about the same as in standard. Both ends just differ by about a point and a half or so.
In any case, no matter what your NT range and structure, I will always bid Axxxx at the 1 level, and here I have some shape, so I have serious game potential. E.G. After 1D-1H-3H, I think that hand is good enough for 4H.
Josh
1. respond 1 of a major over 1 of a minor much lighter than standard
2. do not jump shift over that on 19 or 20 with 4 spades
3. after a 1 over 1 over 1 auction, responder has to bid again unless his first bid was made with less than 6 HCP
4. jump shifts to 2S are game forcing (like normal), but are slightly better hands than normal
Note: since minor suit openings were sound the ranges for non-jump shifts are really about the same as in standard. Both ends just differ by about a point and a half or so.
In any case, no matter what your NT range and structure, I will always bid Axxxx at the 1 level, and here I have some shape, so I have serious game potential. E.G. After 1D-1H-3H, I think that hand is good enough for 4H.
Josh
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Posted 2006-February-01, 17:25
Jlall, on Jan 11 2006, 10:13 AM, said:
I guess jump shifts aren't game forcing anymore.
Well 3♣ would certainly be GF. Over 2♠, I also play a Lebensohl 2NT, which helps to show sub-standard first bids (but mostly is useful to confirm GF auctions when I'm not sub-standard: 1♦-1♥-2♠-3any)