[badderzboy]

Scoring: IMP

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Bidding at our table was :-

1♠- - 2NT*(Mod Ghestem weak(3-7) / strong (16+) 5/5+ both minors here)
4♣(Gerber) -4♦
4♥ 1 Ace - -5♦
6♠ - Pass

What would u do differently?

I was West and considered both 5♦ over 4♣ but what if game is the limit
and considered both 7♣/7♦ over 6♠s.

The sacrifice might work on this layout but is it worth a gamble anyway?

Steve

[pclayton]

South........West........North........East
1♠........Pass.........2N............3N
5♣........Double......Pass...........Pass
6♠.....All Pass

1. 2N is some form of a forcing raise.

2. 3N is really agressive at these colors but conceivable with 6-5. Always a good idea to jam the opponents Jacoby auctions.

3. 5♣ is EKCB

4. Pass shows 1 outside the club suit (ROP1)

5. Counting on pard for 4 trump. Hopefully we don't catch Q-3rd offside.

Wrong colors for a sac; 7 minor looks like -1100 unless you pick up the K♦ (possible on this auction I guess).

[Blofeld]

I agree with Phil's auction. While the North hand has 25 Zars and spades, it isn't what I'd consider an opening without special agreement, and without some kind of weak 2-suited opening the East hand is also going to have to pass.

The 6 spade bid also seems to be gambling that we'll find a way to deal with a heart loser, but we can't be that precise when opponents are preempting, partner is likely to have something for 2NT, and we can always attempt the finesse (even if it is likely to be off).

[FrancesHinden]

I would end in 6S by South after North and East pass and South opens 1S. It won't involve Gerber by South, either.

(possible auction:

P P 1S P
2D* 2NT* 4C* P
4S P 5C* P
5H* P 6S all pass

2D = 4-card Drury
2NT = both minors, extreme shape
4C = splinter
5C/5H = cue bids)

Why do I want to save? Best defence is genuinely 1100, but more to the point I see no reason to drop the DK. And if North has the A109x club it's 1400.

[mcphee]

I can't imagine someone wanting to ask for aces with a void, unless they bid 5C exclusion.

If N opens 1S and the next hand shows the minors I use what ever methods I have to make a F bid in H because I am silly enought to want to try for 7 S.

I have no intention of passing below the level of 6S should e/w bid a bunch of some minor.

[Kalvan14]

It would be even more interesting if N passes, and E opens 2NT (both minors, weak). I suppose S would bid 4♣ for the majors.
What should N bid?

[FrancesHinden]

One thing North can do is to bid 4D, asking partner to pick a major, then remove 4H to 4S which should show a mild slam try.

The auction will get very murky.

But I don't think the East cards are a second in unfavourable 2NT opener.

[Free]

Why is everyone passing with the East hand? With my f2f partner:
1♥* - 2NT* - 3♦* - pass
3♥! - pass - 4♣! - pass
4♠ - pass - (4NT - pass
5♣ - pass - 5♦ - pass
6♥ - pass -) 6♠ - all pass

1♥ shows 9-15 with 4+♠
3♦ is inv+ with ♠ fit
! is control

We know partner doesn't have a ♦ control, so no need to bid grand. With 6-4 fit you might want to ask for ♠Q, you'll find it, and then you can bid slam as well.

[mike777]

Free, on Jan 11 2006, 04:32 AM, said:

Why is everyone passing with the East hand? With my f2f partner:
.

I agree, easy 2D opener with East hand.

[pclayton]

I thought South was dealer. But I don't I think I'd open the North hand. Whether or not East opens (clear 2N for me) is a different story.

North drags out some kind of Drury. From there, the auction can take a lot of turns. West won't stay silent forever, but if pard gives me a drury raise with that big 6-6, I'm finding an exclusion call at some point.

[Fluffy]

N - E - W - S
ps- ps- 1♠- ps
3♠-3NT-5♣-5NT
X-6♦-ps-ps
X-ps-ps-ps


Doh I missed to red the vulnerability, I guess The bidding would end in 5♠

[inquiry]

The problem, as presented was north opens 1♠ and EAST overcalls 2NT.....

So all the initial responders are not addressing the issue. Is north an opener? Well that is a different question (25 ZAR points and spades, so ZAR and bladderboy would open, I have to admit me too)....

Your partner opens 1♠ and you have a total monster. At this vulnerabilyt I am not terribly afraid of them saving in 7♣/7♦ but I am worried we might miss 7♠. So over 2NT, I would pull out old trusty 5♣ EXCLUSION Blackwood which ends our reign at trying to get to 7♠ very quickly. The interestign question might be how would you bid this if the vulnebility was reversed? You might very well want to sneak up on 6♠ somehow.

Ben

[pclayton]

inquiry, on Jan 11 2006, 11:46 AM, said:

The problem, as presented was north opens 1♠ and EAST overcalls 2NT.....

So all the initial responders are not addressing the issue. Is north an opener? Well that is a different question (25 ZAR points and spades, so ZAR and bladderboy would open, I have to admit me  too)....

Your partner opens 1♠ and  you have a total monster. At this vulnerabilyt I am not terribly afraid of them saving in 7♣/7♦ but I am worried we might miss 7♠. So over 2NT, I would pull out old trusty 5♣ EXCLUSION Blackwood which ends our reign at trying to get to 7♠ very quickly. The interestign question might be how would  you bid this if the vulnebility was reversed? You might very well want to sneak up on 6♠ somehow.

Ben

My partnership does not have an direct Exclusion bids. 1♠ - 5♣ just shows a whole lot of clubs.

1♠ - (2N) - 5♣ would logically be exclusion.

Meta-rules like this are the foundation of our partnership, and we've never had a key card misunderstanding yet.

We expose ourselves to some preemption, but thats life.

[HeartA]

inquiry, on Jan 11 2006, 02:46 PM, said:

The problem, as presented was north opens 1♠ and EAST overcalls 2NT.....

So all the initial responders are not addressing the issue. Is north an opener? Well that is a different question (25 ZAR points and spades, so ZAR and bladderboy would open, I have to admit me too)....

Your partner opens 1♠ and you have a total monster. At this vulnerabilyt I am not terribly afraid of them saving in 7♣/7♦ but I am worried we might miss 7♠. So over 2NT, I would pull out old trusty 5♣ EXCLUSION Blackwood which ends our reign at trying to get to 7♠ very quickly. The interestign question might be how would you bid this if the vulnebility was reversed? You might very well want to sneak up on 6♠ somehow.

Ben

That's the easy and quick solution, if pd knows what 5C means.

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Jan 11 2006, 04:36 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jan 11 2006, 11:46 AM, said:

The problem, as presented was north opens 1♠ and EAST overcalls 2NT.....

So all the initial responders are not addressing the issue. Is north an opener? Well that is a different question (25 ZAR points and spades, so ZAR and bladderboy would open, I have to admit me  too)....

Your partner opens 1♠ and  you have a total monster. At this vulnerabilyt I am not terribly afraid of them saving in 7♣/7♦ but I am worried we might miss 7♠. So over 2NT, I would pull out old trusty 5♣ EXCLUSION Blackwood which ends our reign at trying to get to 7♠ very quickly. The interestign question might be how would  you bid this if the vulnebility was reversed? You might very well want to sneak up on 6♠ somehow.

Ben

My partnership does not have an direct Exclusion bids. 1♠ - 5♣ just shows a whole lot of clubs.

1♠ - (2N) - 5♣ would logically be exclusion.

Meta-rules like this are the foundation of our partnership, and we've never had a key card misunderstanding yet.

We expose ourselves to some preemption, but thats life.

you are clearly right.. 1S-5C is a buncho clubs... I happen to also play 1S-4NT as natural and invitational. If I want to ask for aces... I (even exclusion) I go though JAcoby 2NT then 4NT or 5♣ (exclusion). But once RHO shows clubs and diamonds, 5♣ is clearly exclusion.

[Kalvan14]

I consider E hand quite adequate for a 2N opening showing a weak minor 2-suiter, even R vs W (6 losers).

It certainly is more reasonable to open E with 2N than N with 1♠ [I'd open N with a Mujderberg 2♠, but that's a different issue)

[Kalvan14]

Frances suggestion [P-(2N)-4♣-(P)-4♦-(P)-4♥-(P)-4♠] to make a slam try is quite nice. It will have to be done at 5-level, most likely: I suppose that W might compete with a double fit.