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My pd open 1H and I got a wonderful hand: A - KQX KQJxxxxxx. What is your bidding plan to reach the optimum contract?
Additional information, we play 2/1 absolutely GF and cue bid style promising 1st or 2nd round control.
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How to use EKCB in a M that pd opens?
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Posted 2006-January-03, 22:45
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Posted 2006-January-03, 23:05
I would start with 2C, and then jump to 4C requesting cuebidding. Hopefully partner can give me 4D. If partner does, I will try 5N GSF and hopefully have methods to distinguish between 0, 1, and 2 top trump honors. Alternatively I could bid 5H exclusion over 4D.
If partner could not cuebid 4D and instead bid 4H, I would bid 4N. Hopefully we played 1430 and if partner showed 1, I would assume it was the heart ace and pass.
This plan needs some good agreements to be successful.
If partner could not cuebid 4D and instead bid 4H, I would bid 4N. Hopefully we played 1430 and if partner showed 1, I would assume it was the heart ace and pass.
This plan needs some good agreements to be successful.
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Posted 2006-January-04, 10:48
Simple rule: If partner opens a suit naturally, don't use exclusion in his suit. He will always get confused
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Posted 2006-January-04, 12:50
I agree. Jumping to 5 in a suit partner has bid will almost certainly be interpreted as a slam try in that suit, not Exclusion Blackwood.
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Posted 2006-January-05, 03:36
With void in partner's suit and a freak like that, normally it is good to try to force partner to cue his own suit. If he cuebids his suit you substract 1 ace when you make blackwood later.
On this given hand I think that wouldn't work sadly
On this given hand I think that wouldn't work sadly
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Posted 2006-January-05, 09:46
Insist, and then 5H. A plausible example:
1H-P-2C-P-
2D-P-3C-P-
3NT-P-4C-P-
4D-P-5H.
If you reject hearts over-and-over, and demand clubs, 5H cannot be anything but EKCB. If partner would not get it in this auction, give up.
Note that the beauty of this type of auction is that partner will be compelled, sooner or later, to cuebid his diamond control, enabling a 5H call as a jump. This takes away any concern over partner reading a non-jump 5H call. If partner actually fails to cooperate and raises 4C to 5C, or insists upon 4NT, then 5H should never be misconstrued anyway.
1H-P-2C-P-
2D-P-3C-P-
3NT-P-4C-P-
4D-P-5H.
If you reject hearts over-and-over, and demand clubs, 5H cannot be anything but EKCB. If partner would not get it in this auction, give up.
Note that the beauty of this type of auction is that partner will be compelled, sooner or later, to cuebid his diamond control, enabling a 5H call as a jump. This takes away any concern over partner reading a non-jump 5H call. If partner actually fails to cooperate and raises 4C to 5C, or insists upon 4NT, then 5H should never be misconstrued anyway.
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Posted 2006-January-05, 12:51
Does use of 2/1 GF necessarily mean one doesn't play Strong J/Ss ? Although it may certainly be more frequently helpful to use other meaning for a 3♣ jump over 1♥ (to be followed by 4[♣), there are hands where strong J/S seems to start things off right.
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Posted 2006-January-05, 12:57
kenrexford, on Jan 5 2006, 03:46 PM, said:
Insist, and then 5H. A plausible example:
1H-P-2C-P-
2D-P-3C-P-
3NT-P-4C-P-
4D-P-5H.
If you reject hearts over-and-over, and demand clubs, 5H cannot be anything but EKCB. If partner would not get it in this auction, give up.
Note that the beauty of this type of auction is that partner will be compelled, sooner or later, to cuebid his diamond control, enabling a 5H call as a jump. This takes away any concern over partner reading a non-jump 5H call. If partner actually fails to cooperate and raises 4C to 5C, or insists upon 4NT, then 5H should never be misconstrued anyway.
1H-P-2C-P-
2D-P-3C-P-
3NT-P-4C-P-
4D-P-5H.
If you reject hearts over-and-over, and demand clubs, 5H cannot be anything but EKCB. If partner would not get it in this auction, give up.
Note that the beauty of this type of auction is that partner will be compelled, sooner or later, to cuebid his diamond control, enabling a 5H call as a jump. This takes away any concern over partner reading a non-jump 5H call. If partner actually fails to cooperate and raises 4C to 5C, or insists upon 4NT, then 5H should never be misconstrued anyway.
How do you proceed if bidding goes:
1H:2C
3H:4C (or 3S for that matter)
4H:?
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Posted 2006-January-05, 13:02
twcho, on Jan 3 2006, 11:45 PM, said:
My pd open 1H and I got a wonderful hand: A - KQX KQJxxxxxx. What is your bidding plan to reach the optimum contract?
Additional information, we play 2/1 absolutely GF and cue bid style promising 1st or 2nd round control.
Additional information, we play 2/1 absolutely GF and cue bid style promising 1st or 2nd round control.
over my 4c bid...4d is rkc.....I will not show h void. but will bid 7clubs if p can make any grand slam try.
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Posted 2006-January-05, 14:07
mike777, on Jan 5 2006, 02:02 PM, said:
twcho, on Jan 3 2006, 11:45 PM, said:
My pd open 1H and I got a wonderful hand: A - KQX KQJxxxxxx. What is your bidding plan to reach the optimum contract?
Additional information, we play 2/1 absolutely GF and cue bid style promising 1st or 2nd round control.
Additional information, we play 2/1 absolutely GF and cue bid style promising 1st or 2nd round control.
over my 4c bid...4d is rkc.....I will not show h void. but will bid 7clubs if p can make any grand slam try.
In the kickback sequence, what would 5D and 5H be instead of the expected 4D ace ask after 4C?
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Posted 2006-January-05, 14:13
Al_U_Card, on Jan 5 2006, 03:07 PM, said:
mike777, on Jan 5 2006, 02:02 PM, said:
twcho, on Jan 3 2006, 11:45 PM, said:
My pd open 1H and I got a wonderful hand: A - KQX KQJxxxxxx. What is your bidding plan to reach the optimum contract?
Additional information, we play 2/1 absolutely GF and cue bid style promising 1st or 2nd round control.
Additional information, we play 2/1 absolutely GF and cue bid style promising 1st or 2nd round control.
over my 4c bid...4d is rkc.....I will not show h void. but will bid 7clubs if p can make any grand slam try.
In the kickback sequence, what would 5D and 5H be instead of the expected 4D ace ask after 4C?
My partner argues the big advantage of kickback is very very few cuebids, less room for misunderstandings.
Will leave it to the exclusion experts to explain what 5d or 5h might be over 4c with kickback.
In general I would avoid those bids at all costs!
4c must set trump suit. P must be bidding 1h and then 2 or 3h on some kind of heart suit? Where the heck are her points?
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Posted 2006-January-08, 01:50
QUOTE (kenrexford @ Jan 5 2006, 03:46 PM)
Insist, and then 5H. A plausible example:
1H-P-2C-P-
2D-P-3C-P-
3NT-P-4C-P-
4D-P-5H.
If you reject hearts over-and-over, and demand clubs, 5H cannot be anything but EKCB. If partner would not get it in this auction, give up.
Note that the beauty of this type of auction is that partner will be compelled, sooner or later, to cuebid his diamond control, enabling a 5H call as a jump. This takes away any concern over partner reading a non-jump 5H call. If partner actually fails to cooperate and raises 4C to 5C, or insists upon 4NT, then 5H should never be misconstrued anyway.
How do you proceed if bidding goes:
1H:2C
3H:4C (or 3S for that matter)
4H:?
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First, this is a problem. 3H was a demand bid, the way I play.
Second, this is a big problem, because partner is doing the same thing I am -- insisting upon trumps.
If the auction was:
1H-P-2C-P-
2H-P-3C-P-
3H-P-4C-P-
4H-P-5C-P-
5H...
...I'd start laughing to tears. This would be great stuff. I could care less what the outcome was, because I'd be in tears. I'd suddenly get smart, though, and jump to 7NT. I will not lose out to 7H, and I will not risk partner figuring this solution out first.
On a serious note, I will not cater to a my-suit-no-your-suit possibility. If that occurs, I'll trust partner and give in to hearts.
Insist, and then 5H. A plausible example:
1H-P-2C-P-
2D-P-3C-P-
3NT-P-4C-P-
4D-P-5H.
If you reject hearts over-and-over, and demand clubs, 5H cannot be anything but EKCB. If partner would not get it in this auction, give up.
Note that the beauty of this type of auction is that partner will be compelled, sooner or later, to cuebid his diamond control, enabling a 5H call as a jump. This takes away any concern over partner reading a non-jump 5H call. If partner actually fails to cooperate and raises 4C to 5C, or insists upon 4NT, then 5H should never be misconstrued anyway.
How do you proceed if bidding goes:
1H:2C
3H:4C (or 3S for that matter)
4H:?
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First, this is a problem. 3H was a demand bid, the way I play.
Second, this is a big problem, because partner is doing the same thing I am -- insisting upon trumps.
If the auction was:
1H-P-2C-P-
2H-P-3C-P-
3H-P-4C-P-
4H-P-5C-P-
5H...
...I'd start laughing to tears. This would be great stuff. I could care less what the outcome was, because I'd be in tears. I'd suddenly get smart, though, and jump to 7NT. I will not lose out to 7H, and I will not risk partner figuring this solution out first.
On a serious note, I will not cater to a my-suit-no-your-suit possibility. If that occurs, I'll trust partner and give in to hearts.
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Posted 2006-January-08, 02:01
"If you reject hearts over-and-over, and demand clubs, 5H cannot be anything but EKCB. If partner would not get it in this auction, give up."
of course 5h may not be exclusion...99%+ of 25 million bridge players do not play it and have no idea how it works. For some reason you think 99% of 25 million players do?
of course 5h may not be exclusion...99%+ of 25 million bridge players do not play it and have no idea how it works. For some reason you think 99% of 25 million players do?
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Posted 2006-January-08, 03:20
An observation related to all bidding problems.
When one answers a bidding problem , one must assume p is regular p and not a pick up p.
I dont see any point in discussing a bidding sequence if P may or may not understand ones bids.
When one answers a bidding problem , one must assume p is regular p and not a pick up p.
I dont see any point in discussing a bidding sequence if P may or may not understand ones bids.
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Posted 2006-January-08, 09:05
Amen.
More, though. One might assume in a bidding sequence something different, but those parameters should be expressed if unexpected. If the question is how to bid EKCB of 5H, then one assume that partner is that apparent 1% who knows what "EKCB" means.
Otherwise, the answer is simple. Stop time, mid auction. Grab partner and take him aside. Explain the nuances of EKCB bidding, and reach agreements. Jump back into flowing time, and resume bidding. Then, do what I suggested.
More, though. One might assume in a bidding sequence something different, but those parameters should be expressed if unexpected. If the question is how to bid EKCB of 5H, then one assume that partner is that apparent 1% who knows what "EKCB" means.
Otherwise, the answer is simple. Stop time, mid auction. Grab partner and take him aside. Explain the nuances of EKCB bidding, and reach agreements. Jump back into flowing time, and resume bidding. Then, do what I suggested.
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Posted 2006-January-09, 09:45
kenrexford, on Jan 8 2006, 10:05 AM, said:
one assume that partner is that apparent 1% who knows what "EKCB" means.
Kinda OT, but when I first saw the title of this thread, I thought EKCB was simply a typo for RKCB -- E and R are right next to each other on most keyboards. I know the convention (but don't use it in most of my partnerships), just didn't recognize the acronym right away.
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