[adhoc3]

QJx AJT9xx xx Qx

Vul vs Non

PD opened 1D in 2nd place:

pass-----1D----pass-----1H
dbl-------2D----2S-------???

Pard's hand hide below:

Spoiler

Ax Kx ATxxxx Jxx
2S was beaten -1, a bad -3.3 imps.

Anything wrong with this sequence?

Regards,

Jack

[whereagles]

Since pard will have 6 diamonds 99% of the time, I would bid 3♦. If pard can't find another bid after this, we probably belong in a partscore anyway. If he bids 3♥ or 3♠, I'll gladly oblige with 4♥ and 3NT respectively.

At matchpoints there's a case for bidding 3♥.

[awm]

I'll go with 2NT. This points us towards the most likely game. Some possible hands:

xx xx KQJTxx AKx (fortunately the auction basically marks spades to be 4-4)
xx xx AQJTxx Axx (after winning the third spade, an easy 3nt if ♦ behave)
xx Qx AJTxxx AJx (there will be some interesting guesses to make, but 3NT/4♥ has play)

I would not expect partner to balance on any of these hands. The third hand might pass 2NT, but this also is an okay spot (2NT probably makes, we have maybe 6 tricks on defense against 2♠).

[toothbrush]

I still have ambition for game when partner bid voluntary 2♦. With at least 22hcp together and a certain fit ♦ I'm pretty sure I won't let them play 2♠ undoubled.
I prefer bidding 3♥. To bid NT, I need more support in ♦ (3card with a top honour)

[mike777]

awm, on Jan 4 2006, 11:34 AM, said:

I'll go with 2NT. This points us towards the most likely game. Some possible hands:

xx xx KQJTxx AKx (fortunately the auction basically marks spades to be 4-4)
xx xx AQJTxx Axx (after winning the third spade, an easy 3nt if ♦ behave)
xx Qx AJTxxx AJx (there will be some interesting guesses to make, but 3NT/4♥ has play)

I would not expect partner to balance on any of these hands. The third hand might pass 2NT, but this also is an okay spot (2NT probably makes, we have maybe 6 tricks on defense against 2♠).

Ditto

btw object to partner's opening bid, prefer pass not 1D.

[luke warm]

i'd bid 3♥

[tysen2k]

3♥ with 3♦ as a close second.

Tysen

[Winstonm]

I'm a believer that the free redid should actually show a reason to bid - not just, Oh, I've got an extra diamond stuck in here with my hearts sort of bid. Although it's close, I don't think partner can figure out just quite this much hand if I pass - certainly not the 6th heart in a pretty good suit. If we do have any game coming it is most likely a heart game so I'm going to try 3H.

Winston

P.S. I just looked at the hand and see no reason to trot out a free 2D bid when you can pass and show weakness and no great reason to bid. The pass actually makes it easier to bid 3H as there is a greater expectation of a usable fit.

[Fluffy]

whereagles, on Jan 4 2006, 04:01 PM, said:

Since pard will have 6 diamonds 99% of the time, I would bid 3♦. If pard can't find another bid after this, we probably belong in a partscore anyway. If he bids 3♥ or 3♠, I'll gladly oblige with 4♥ and 3NT respectively.

At matchpoints there's a case for bidding 3♥.

Partner has 6♦ only 65% of the time, the other 35% he has 7+

I would bid 3♦ withno strong conviction.

[whereagles]

Fluffy, on Jan 5 2006, 09:41 AM, said:

Partner has 6♦ only 65% of the time, the other 35% he has 7+

Hum.. yes

[Kalvan14]

3♥ for me. Too good a suit, and the black Qs can complement pard's values

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

scraped, ignored the auction.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[bearmum]

adhoc3, on Jan 5 2006, 03:50 AM, said:

QJx AJT9xx xx Qx

Vul vs Non

PD opened 1D in 2nd place:

pass-----1D----pass-----1H
dbl-------2D----2S-------???

Pard's hand hide below:

Spoiler

Ax Kx ATxxxx Jxx
2S was beaten -1, a bad -3.3 imps.

Anything wrong with this sequence?

Regards,

Jack

PASS wtp ?

[adhoc3]

Quote

The pass actually makes it easier to bid 3H as there is a greater expectation of a usable fit.

[HeartA]

H is too good to be ignored.

[jdeegan]

The majority votes for 3♥ over 3♦. My problem with this is that pard is marked with 6 or 7 diamonds, one or two spades, and there are seven clubs to be divided between two hands (assuming doubler has four clubs). The point is that there is not much room for hearts in pard's hand. 2-1-6-4 or 2-1-7-3 patterns will play a trick better in diamonds most of the time.

[mike777]

jdeegan, on Jan 8 2006, 01:32 AM, said:

  The majority votes for 3♥ over 3♦.  My problem with this is that pard is marked with 6 or 7 diamonds, one or two spades, and there are seven clubs to be divided between two hands (assuming doubler has four clubs).  The point is that there is not much room for hearts in pard's hand.  2-1-6-4 or 2-1-7-3 patterns will play a trick better in diamonds most of the time.

I very respectfully disagree, the real problem is partner should pass not open the bidding.

[foo]

adhoc3, on Jan 4 2006, 09:50 AM, said:

QJx AJT9xx xx Qx

Vul vs Non

PD opened 1D in 2nd place:

pass-----1D----pass-----1H
dbl-------2D----2S-------???

Pard's hand hide below:

Spoiler

Ax Kx ATxxxx Jxx
2S was beaten -1, a bad -3.3 imps.

Anything wrong with this sequence?

Regards,

Jack

Pass is not a Logical Alternative in my mind.

A= PD's simple rebid denies a Maximum, it does not guarantee a minimum. If he has 14-15 HCP, we probably belong in game. If our hands have nice stoppers in the side suits between us and PD has a good ♦ suit, we may have 9 tricks in 3N on even less than 24 HCP. If our hands fit well and PD has 3 ♥'s we may be able to make 4♥. Etc.

B= We have an Invitational hand, not a minimum. We owe PD a 2nd bid.

C= We have both ♠ stoppers and 6 ♥'s (PD only knows about 4 of them)

"C" is actually a problem since you have an embarrassment of riches and not enough room to show both.

I'd bid 3♥ since 4M is the preferred Game in Bridge and PD can always accept by bidding 3♠ when they don't have 2 ♥'s and need a ♠ stop from us for 3N. There is the risk that PD has a minimum w/ only 1-H (although a ♥ void is unlikely given that PD can't have many ♠ given our hand and the auction), but the odds favor PD having 2-3 ♥'s.

[Al_U_Card]

toothbrush, on Jan 4 2006, 11:50 AM, said:

I still have ambition for game when partner bid voluntary 2♦. With at least 22hcp together and a certain fit ♦ I'm pretty sure I won't let them play 2♠ undoubled.
I prefer bidding 3♥. To bid NT, I need more support in ♦ (3card with a top honour)

Does the voluntary bid show extras, or full values or just long(er) diamonds. I would expect the latter and pass to see if pard wants to carry on.