[lenze]

Just Curious: How does your system handle this?

You hold

S – 5 4
H – VOID
D – AKT863
C – AKT75

Partner deals, vulnerable, and opens 1NT (15-17)

For the record, partner’s hand was

S – AKQ2
H – KT3
D – Q97
C – Q86

[luis]

I'm sure there're ad-hoc methods that can do fantastic on this hand, but I'll try with a standard approach (using 4 way transfers)

1N 2n (xfer to d)
3c (Hxx or 4 cards) 3h (shortage)
3s (cuebid) 4c (cuebid)
4s (cuebid) 5c (cuebid)
6c (cQ or xx) 7d

After a transfer to a minor I play 3M bid as showing shortage, maybe a 1st cuebid in a slamish hand or looking for a 3NT game exposing shortage in case 5m is better than 3N. In this hand over 3h opener has an easy 3s cuebid and responder can ceubid 4c, opener cuebids 4s, not 4h since the hK is not good facing shortness. Responder bids 5c thus showing AK of clubs and opener can cuebid the cQ beutifully so responder has an automatic 7d bid knowin opener has the dQ or 4 cards for his initial super-accpetance of the transfer.

Hey this worked!

[inquiry]

Luis auction works wonders, but might miss a club fit. The auction he gave would be bid at my table too if I respond 2NT.

However, I also play 1NT-3D as at least 5-5 in the minors and game force. So I think I would start that way. The disadvantage is the minor "fit" is not disclosed as effectively.

I can envision...

1NT 3D
3S 4H
4S 4N (RKCB - with two suit agreement)
5C 5H (5C = 1/4 key cards, 5H is queen ask)
6N 7D
Pass

5H is asking for queen, and is grand slam try, the responses are.. 5S = lower queen (club); 5N = higher queen (diamond), 6C/6D = no queen this is our trump suit, and in theory, 6H would be both queens. Here I improvised a 6N bid to show both queens and allow responder to pick his longer minor as with 3-3 I have no preference. (BTW, after 3S, 4S, responder knows openers one key card is the spade ACE.. also over 3S, 5H as exclusion blackwood is possible, but leaves no room to investigate. Maybe instead of cue-bid 4H should be exclusion blackwood.

For more on two suit agreement (After one NT and responder showing two long suits, it is always a two suit agreement auction)... see http://www.kantarbridge.com and read about kantar keycard blackwood.

ben

[lenze]

Hi Ben and Luis:
I like both of your auctions. Here is the sequence my partner and I used.

North          South
1NT          2C*         
2D**          2S***
3D****          3H*****
3S*****       4C*****
4D(Marking Time)    5C*****
5NT(GSF)       7D

*   2C = Stayman or slam try in diamonds
**   2D = Denies 4 Hearts
***   2S = Forget the majors, it’s diamonds I’m interested in
****   3D = Qxx or xxxx in diamonds
*****   Cue-bids

Note that if opener held 2 small diamonds, the response over 2S would have been 3NT. Now 4C by responder would show interest in a club slam.

[Free]

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Just Curious: How does your system handle this?

You hold

S – 5 4
H – VOID
D – AKT863
C – AKT75

Partner deals, vulnerable, and opens 1NT (15-17)

For the record, partner’s hand was

S – AKQ2
H – KT3
D – Q97
C – Q86

The way we bid is as follows:
1NT - 2C 15-17 relay
2S - 3C 4-card S relay
3NT - 4S 4-3-3-3 RKC D
5C - 5D 1/4 keycard CAB S
5H - 5S nothing or AKQ what is it?
6C - 7D AKQ Jipie

OR

1NT - 3S 15-17 RKC D
4C - 4H 1/4 keycard CAB S
4S - 4NT nothing or AKQ what is it?
5D - 7D AKQ Jipie

We have 2 methods to bid this slam. We can use some kind of extended stayman, just to find out about partner's shape (1). If we don't have slam interest, we bid something describing of our own hand. Here it's clear you just need soms S tricks, so we'll probably use the second bidding sequence, just asking about keycards and controls in S (2). The last sequence is probably the safest, because if partner has nothing in S, we go 6D-1, and with the 2nd bidding sequence we can still stay at the safe 5D.

[luke warm]

we play weak nt, so it'd go:

1C : 1D
1NT* : 3D**
4C*** : 5H****
5S : 7D

* 14-16
** slam interest either minor
*** 4 in both OR 3 to H in both
**** XRKC

responder would rather play in diamonds, and knows the double fit should make the grand (if opener doesn't have spade K)

[Poky]

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S – 54
H – -
D – AKT863
C – AKT75

S – AKQ2
H – KT3
D – Q97
C – Q86

I use relay structure with very strong hands over 1NT opening...

1NT
2C - ®
2D - No 4H
2H - ®
2S - 4S
2NT - ®
3H - 4333
3S - Control ask
3NT - 0-4
4C - Spiral scan trigger
4D - No spade A/K or AKQ in spades
4H - ®
4NT - No diamond A/K
5C - ®
5D - No club A/K
5H - ®
5S - No heart Q
5NT - ®
6H - diamond Q, club Q, no spade J
7D - Ty partner!

Poky

[Gerben47]

1NT - 2NT (minors)
3C (preference) - 4H (XRKC)
4S (1/4) - 4NT (Queen?)
5H*(yes and KS) - 5S (Queens?)
6NT (both) - 7D (thanks!)

*5C = no, 6C = yes no king, 5D = yes and KD, 5H = yes and KS, 5S = yes and both Ks

1NT - 2NT (minors)
3D (preference) - 4H (XRKC)
4S (1/4) - 4NT (Queen?)
5H* (yes and KS) - 5S (Queens?)
6NT (both) - 7D (thanks!)

*5D = no, 6D = yes no king, 5C = yes and KD, 5H = yes and KS, 5S = yes and both Ks

Just in case you were wondering why 2NT is minors:
2S is either invitational to 3NT (asks min/max) or signoff in 3C/D
2NT is both minors
3m asks 3NT bid with top honor in that suit

[bhugi]

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I'm sure there're ad-hoc methods that can do fantastic on this hand, but I'll try with a standard approach (using 4 way transfers)

1N 2n (xfer to d)
3c (Hxx or 4 cards) 3h (shortage)
3s (cuebid) 4c (cuebid)
4s (cuebid) 5c (cuebid)
6c (cQ or xx) 7d

After a transfer to a minor I play 3M bid as showing shortage, maybe a 1st cuebid in a slamish hand or looking for a 3NT game exposing shortage in case 5m is better than 3N. In this hand over 3h opener has an easy 3s cuebid and responder can ceubid 4c, opener cuebids 4s, not 4h since the hK is not good facing shortness. Responder bids 5c thus showing AK of clubs and opener can cuebid the cQ beutifully so responder has an automatic 7d bid knowin opener has the dQ or 4 cards for his initial super-accpetance of the transfer.

Hey this worked!

I do exactly as your way, but 3H's meaning is cue bid also.

[Trpltrbl]

I also play 3 of a minor over NT opening as showing GF hand with at least 5-5 in minors. But I am playing around rite now with bidding 1 NT -3 SP as Slamforcing in minors. 3SP forces 3 NT and then y start describing r hand.
3NT- 4CL = single suited CL hand
4 D = single suited D hand
4 H/SP = both minors and short in the bid major.
Like I said still working on it, but seems to work very good, since trf to minor now only has to cover all weak and invitational hands.

Mike ;D