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Non vs Vul, you hold:
S: AK98
H: ATXXX
D: QX
C: AQ
Pd is the dealer and opened 4h, RHO came in with 5d. What do you bid?
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do u like gamble?
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Posted 2003-October-04, 16:10
oh man, what a choice.. i guess i'd double, it could possibly be the only plus we'd make after this bidding
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Posted 2003-October-04, 16:24
come on, man. 5h is the bottom line for you. isnt it?
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Posted 2003-October-04, 17:40
It's not that 5 Hearts is "bottom line". Sure we can make 5H, but that's not the question. The question is: "Can we make 6H? Can we beat them two tricks?"
We better not have a heart loser, or partner has taken leave of his senses. Here is where partnership agreements come in -- can partner hold a diamond control (Ace or King)? It has to be really "gambling" if one bids 6H expecting diamond shortness (despite the 5 diamond overcall).
I think my gamble would be that we can beat 5D by at least two tricks; that is, I double. [And no, I do NOT lead a heart!!!]
We better not have a heart loser, or partner has taken leave of his senses. Here is where partnership agreements come in -- can partner hold a diamond control (Ace or King)? It has to be really "gambling" if one bids 6H expecting diamond shortness (despite the 5 diamond overcall).
I think my gamble would be that we can beat 5D by at least two tricks; that is, I double. [And no, I do NOT lead a heart!!!]
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Posted 2003-October-04, 17:50
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It's not that 5 Hearts is "bottom line". Sure we can make 5H, but that's not the question. The question is: "Can we make 6H? Can we beat them two tricks?"
We better not have a heart loser, or partner has taken leave of his senses. Here is where partnership agreements come in -- can partner hold a diamond control (Ace or King)? It has to be really "gambling" if one bids 6H expecting diamond shortness (despite the 5 diamond overcall).
I think my gamble would be that we can beat 5D by at least two tricks; that is, I double. [And no, I do NOT lead a heart!!!]
We better not have a heart loser, or partner has taken leave of his senses. Here is where partnership agreements come in -- can partner hold a diamond control (Ace or King)? It has to be really "gambling" if one bids 6H expecting diamond shortness (despite the 5 diamond overcall).
I think my gamble would be that we can beat 5D by at least two tricks; that is, I double. [And no, I do NOT lead a heart!!!]
I agree that we should be able to bid them by two tricks. What if the vul. switched, i.e., when vul. v.s. not?
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Posted 2003-October-04, 21:29
if vulnerability is switched it no longer pays to double (assuming it ever did)... now it's a choice between 5 and 6H, because partner is going to pass... i think 5H is better
btw, it's not that 5H was 'bottom line', it's that i think 6H is a gamble and 5D doubled is a better score for us than making 5H
btw, it's not that 5H was 'bottom line', it's that i think 6H is a gamble and 5D doubled is a better score for us than making 5H
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Posted 2003-October-05, 11:04
There are 2 problems here: when do we make 5 or 6 and when do they go -2?
if CK is behind, they probably go -1, and we won't make 5H. I assume our rho has AKJ of D. If not, they'll go -2, so I'll double ;D
if CK is behind, they probably go -1, and we won't make 5H. I assume our rho has AKJ of D. If not, they'll go -2, so I'll double ;D
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Posted 2003-October-05, 18:19
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Non vs Vul, you hold:
S: AK98
H: ATXXX
D: QX
C: AQ
Pd is the dealer and opened 4h, RHO came in with 5d. What do you bid?
S: AK98
H: ATXXX
D: QX
C: AQ
Pd is the dealer and opened 4h, RHO came in with 5d. What do you bid?
DBL
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Posted 2003-October-06, 10:22
[Gambling mode on]
6d if this is doubled vigorously by LHO showing a diamond void I might bid 6NT and now go lead a diamond :-) If this is not doubled then we may have a play in 6h maybe pd is short in d's maybe they think I have a void in diamonds and lead something else.
[Gambling mode off]
6d if this is doubled vigorously by LHO showing a diamond void I might bid 6NT and now go lead a diamond :-) If this is not doubled then we may have a play in 6h maybe pd is short in d's maybe they think I have a void in diamonds and lead something else.
[Gambling mode off]
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Posted 2003-October-06, 12:46
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[Gambling mode on]
6d if this is doubled vigorously by LHO showing a diamond void I might bid 6NT and now go lead a diamond :-) If this is not doubled then we may have a play in 6h maybe pd is short in d's maybe they think I have a void in diamonds and lead something else.
[Gambling mode off]
6d if this is doubled vigorously by LHO showing a diamond void I might bid 6NT and now go lead a diamond :-) If this is not doubled then we may have a play in 6h maybe pd is short in d's maybe they think I have a void in diamonds and lead something else.
[Gambling mode off]
Not sure if the bluff will work here. As you said, if you bid 6h with confident, or by cue bid 6d, showing a void which doesnt exist, then it may persuade open leader swith to sth else, say club.
I bid 6H then sb left the table and we redealed the hand. So I asked pd, do you have singleton in Diamond? Pd answered yes:)
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