[Gerben42]

Kibitzed this in vugraph:

Scoring: IMP

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Auction at the table:

1♣* 1♠ 2♣** 5♠
6♥ Pass 7♥ 7♠
Dbl Pass Pass Pass

* 16+
** GF 5+♣

Extremely well done by EW to get to the 7-level of course, but if West would have started with 2NT MisIry (weak ♣ or GF 2-suiter with ♥ without ♣), not so sure opps would be getting in so high so fast.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

Didn't EW 'miss' a cold 7NT contract?

West appeared to give up too quickly. A pass here 'does' show the Ace of spades and does invite 7NT. If you were making 7Hs, 7NT cannot be that far away.

An opening GF 2NT bid loses a lot of bidding space. It barely has the HCP values that I need to open 1C* 16+ and I would often like much more room to describe my opening 1C* bids.

Unless the other pair is not prepared to defend the MisIry 2NT opening, I would expect competition.

Can't they double to show clubs plus 'another' suit? If you show your two suits, it will be a 'roadmap' for the other pair.

Positive replies in spades to the MisIry 2NT would appear to lose even more valuable bidding space.

Regards,
Robert

[hrothgar]

Gerben42, on Dec 10 2005, 02:38 PM, said:

Kibitzed this in vugraph:

Scoring: IMP

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Auction at the table:

1♣* 1♠ 2♣** 5♠
6♥ Pass 7♥ 7♠
Dbl Pass Pass Pass

* 16+
** GF 5+♣

Extremely well done by EW to get to the 7-level of course, but if West would have started with 2NT MisIry (weak ♣ or GF 2-suiter with ♥ without ♣), not so sure opps would be getting in so high so fast.

After the 2NT opening North should be almost positive that West holds a big two suiter with Hearts and Diamonds.

If anything, i'd expect more premption...

[Chamaco]

Gerben42, on Dec 10 2005, 11:38 AM, said:

Extremely well done by EW to get to the 7-level of course, but if West would have started with 2NT MisIry (weak ♣ or GF 2-suiter with ♥ without ♣), not so sure opps would be getting in so high so fast.

Yes Gerben, I think that in a strong club context, there is a great benefit in adopting some scheme for strong 2 suited opening (Misiry or other schemes): the 2 suiters are the most vulnerable to preemption if we open a big club.

Removing strong 2 suiters from the big club has the effect that it's easier to double opps when it's right.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

You are starting your not unlikey slam auctions with 2NT* and have to sort your delicate fits at a much higher level 'with the second suit as yet unknown.'

Starting with 1C* allows much more bidding room.

Granted some defensive bidding might be reduced, however, I would try to strain to bid after you opened a 2NT with at least one unknown suit. You are very unlikey to want to double and defend since you have already shown a strong two suiter and also you 'have not' shown the second suit.

If the bid denys clubs, I can double to show a two suiter including clubs. With a one suiter I can bid that. I can also bid 3H as Michaels for spades and diamonds 'if' I play 2NT-X=clubs and another.

Regards,
Robert

[Al_U_Card]

Jlall, on Dec 10 2005, 03:41 PM, said:

lol not this again.

Remember that half of BRIDGE is BID, so what do you expect? ;-))

[Free]

OK, so you start off with 2NT-(4♥)-... (4♥ psych obviously)

What does east expect now? Will he bid some number of ♣s?

[Robert]

Hi everyone

I just 'woke up and reread' the first post. The 2NT bid is a two way bid. Whoops!

That certainly makes more sense 'if' MisIry bidders do not want the other side to bid in their GF auctions.

Delete my 3H Michaels suggestion. Bad, bad Robert.

It appears to be easier to defend against the weak 3C version. You can bid 3Cs as Michaels here saving a whole level of bidding. You also get two bites at the apple, you can double 2NT for takeout or wait and double 3Cs for takeout.

If one of the NAMYATS defenses is used, you can double 2NT for takeout or pass and double 3Cs for penalty!

Aren't the MisIry bidders also barred from raising or jump raising 'clubs' after the two way 2NT opening. You are leaving the other pair all kinds of 'extra' bidding room that normal bidding would certainly not have.

Against the stronger version, the other pair will tend to bid three of a suit more often with long weak suits since the MisIry pair cannot risk passing out a 2NT bid that might be a GF hand.

I have read that the best defense against a Multi is to use the same methods against it. You can bid directly with weak hands and 'pass and bid' with stronger hands.

Being able to overcall suits either directly or after 'passing and later bidding', should give the other pair much better bidding results.

The weak 3C version would appear to be the normal holding(95%) so MisIry bidders allow the other pair extra room to bid and also several additional ways to bid.

Regards,
Robert

[Gerben42]

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OK, so you start off with 2NT-(4♥)-... (4♥ psych obviously)

Inexperienced either-or-bid players may fall for this. But really... this will just backfire for NS.

[hrothgar]

Free, on Dec 11 2005, 12:35 PM, said:

OK, so you start off with 2NT-(4♥)-... (4♥ psych obviously)

What does east expect now? Will he bid some number of ♣s?

I also dislike the 4♥ psyche.
I think its far to easy to expose...

[luke warm]

Gerben42, on Dec 10 2005, 06:38 AM, said:

Kibitzed this in vugraph:

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ KQ853 ♥ 3 ♦ J2 ♣ KQ932 ♠ A ♥ AK9642 ♦ AQ987 ♣ 4 ♠   ♥ Q87 ♦ K653 ♣ AJT875 ♠ JT97642 ♥ JT5 ♦ T4 ♣ 6

how does "standard" misiry bid this with no interference? i'd like to compare with the version i play ... thx

[Free]

hrothgar, on Dec 11 2005, 03:02 PM, said:

Free, on Dec 11 2005, 12:35 PM, said:

OK, so you start off with 2NT-(4♥)-... (4♥ psych obviously)

What does east expect now?  Will he bid some number of ♣s? 

I also dislike the 4♥ psyche.
I think its far to easy to expose...

Ofcourse it's easy to expose, but it takes away even more valuable bidding space...