[inquiry]

Fluffy, on Nov 23 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

inquiry, on Nov 23 2005, 12:12 PM, said:

I open 1♦, and should partner bid 1♥, I will rebid 2♣ which I play as "new minor forcing by opener". If partner rebids 2♥ over this, he shows a hand that wants to play in 2♥ opposite a 17-18 bal with 3 card support, or 17-19 bal without 3 card support.  I will then rebid 2♠, showing 3-1-5-4 or 3-0-6-4 specifically

This sounds interesting, do you open 2 suiters at the 2 level?

Well, of course, my strong two suiters go through the misiry transfers starting at two notrump or higher. My weak minor two suiters (5-5 or better) start 1D followed by a non-forcing 3C or off beat 1NT rebid (depends on side suits). Any hand with strong four card support for the major my partner bid over my 1D bid go through a jump to 2NT (Jacoby 2NT by opener!), so the 2C rebid here shows a number of hands...

• Strong reverse type hand (this is the anti-reverse starting with diamonds) with 5-4 in the two suits.
  
• Strong balanced hands, 17 upwards
  
• A strong one suited diamond hand with 8 to 9 tricks (we have an acol 2D bid available with 9.5 tricks)

This bid comes up surprizing frequently, because we use a 14-16 1NT and there are alot of 17 point balanced hands floating around.

[Al_U_Card]

Gerben42, on Nov 23 2005, 05:43 AM, said:

Playing standard: Still 1♦ but it's more problematic now, planning to rebid 3♣. If it's passed out I"m not that sad, anyway.

1D, With this hand opposite a 4 hcp mess, i won't mind sitting in 1D but I would expect some H bidding by the opps so I could get my C suit in cheaply.....any sign of life in pard gets 3C from me

[awm]

This is a pretty easy 1♣ opening playing a strong or prepared club system. That's not to say the continuations will be easy after 1♣-negative, but at least for the first round of bidding you have an obvious call.

Playing more standard methods, I'd tend to prefer a 1♦ opening. Certainly this could lead to missing a game, but it's not clear where that game's going to be if partner would respond very light with a five-card major. If partner dredges up a call, the subsequent auction should be relatively easy (I'll jump to 3♣ to force game, then try rebidding spades or notrump if partner preferences to diamonds depending on whether partner's first bid was in spades, notrump, or hearts).

Playing a transfer-based system, this is an easy 1♠ bid (5+♦). The subsequent bidding depends a lot on partner's response and the choice of methods.

[cinvent77]

Suppose you open 1♦. What do you bid after 1♦ - 1♥ - 3♣ - 3NT?
I assume that 3♣ is FG in standard methods. Do you have a clear way to proceed?

[Fluffy]

cinvent77, on Nov 23 2005, 09:21 PM, said:

Suppose you open 1♦. What do you bid after 1♦ - 1♥ - 3♣ - 3NT?
I assume that 3♣ is FG in standard methods. Do you have a clear way to proceed?

Looks like 4NT

[Kalvan14]

cinvent77, on Nov 23 2005, 04:21 PM, said:

Suppose you open 1♦. What do you bid after 1♦ - 1♥ - 3♣ - 3NT?
I assume that 3♣ is FG in standard methods. Do you have a clear way to proceed?

This looks the most sane auction on this hand.
I would pass: I have already shown a GF hand, with 18/+ HCP. NT looks the best denomination with my cards. Why should I penalise N with his 7-8 HCP? The problem will be landing this 3NT contract (there might be communication problems)

[cf_John0]

2C in SAYC-based system;
1D in strong Diamond system;

[P_Marlowe]

cinvent77, on Nov 23 2005, 04:21 PM, said:

Suppose you open 1♦. What do you bid after 1♦ - 1♥ - 3♣ - 3NT?
I assume that 3♣ is FG in standard methods. Do you have a clear way to proceed?

Pass?

Marlowe

[leboulepat]

joker_gib, on Nov 23 2005, 05:16 AM, said:

2NT

Minimum lie 

If I open 1♦ it can be passed out and I have no rebid to show that hand

Alain

No Joker_gib 1♦ is better. You bid 3♣ after.

[Fluffy]

1♦+3♣ is kinda inaccurte actually. But the problem with 2NT is: it isn't accurate either. 2NT is probably the worst opening for a natual system. I try to avoid it as much as I can, not force it when not neccesary.

[Al_U_Card]

Seems to me that in SAYC, 1D-1H-3C-3NT says that pard has 4H cards in a balanced minimum that has NO interest anywhere but 3NT unless you have significantly more than the 18 hcp and 5D 4(possibly 3)C that you showed so far.

Since the 3C forces to game, any other bid at the 3 level is forcing and descriptive. Once opener rebids 3NT over the 3 level bid then responder can continue with more.

[Fluffy]

3NT could be with 5♥ when he has 4♠+5♥ or sometimes weak hand with a minor fit.

[beatrix45]

2♣
Hands like this are always a problem for old-fashioned bidders like me who do not play a strong club opener. Since it's matchpoints and involves only one board, I'm willing to shoot a little. With regular pards I usually play 2♥ as negative showing less than two queens, so I plan to bail into 3♦ after a negative 2♥ response. Otherwise, opposite a few scattered high cards, it is a pretty good playing hand in NT with (possibly) five diamonds, one spade and a few club tricks- decent compensation for not having the twenty third HCP. If pard insists on playing in hearts, I will go along and hope for QJ10 sixth.

[Robert]

Hello everyone

WITP? Isn't this hand worth a 16+ 1C* opening?

If you produce another hand, the bidding might be more challenging.

Playing Standard I open 1D no other bid comes close. Very likely to rebid 3Cs over either major.

Regards,
Robert