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Posted 2005-November-20, 17:31
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Posted 2005-November-20, 17:47
I voted for other because Adam and I play Gazilli, so that's a diamond sign-off.
Otherwise, I don't really know what it should be.
Otherwise, I don't really know what it should be.
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Posted 2005-November-20, 18:01
arend and i were playing it and we'd never discussed it but decided natural invitational but i got to thinking and was afraid he'd take it as a splinter... so was wondering what consensus was...
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Posted 2005-November-20, 18:05
1) natural and invite with no discussion
2) BART with discussion 6+ and weak. Invite hands start with a forcing 2D relay rebid.
2) BART with discussion 6+ and weak. Invite hands start with a forcing 2D relay rebid.
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Posted 2005-November-20, 18:26
It depends a lot on your general agreements. For example:
Playing 2/1 or BBO Advanced, no other agreements, I would assume natural and invitational. There's no other way to show such a hand, since 2♦ would be weaker and you'd need a game force to start with a 2/1 call.
Playing 2/1 with invitational jumps (popular among expert players), a direct 3♦ would've been natural and invitational. Since that's not a possible hand type, this sequence should be a splinter for clubs.
Playing 2/1 with some sort of BART, most good hands would start with 2♦ (artificial) and a direct 3♦ would be weak. This also applies if, like Elianna and me, you play some sort of Gazilli 2♣.
Playing any system where 2/1s aren't unilaterally game forcing, you could start with 2♦ on an invitational hand with diamonds, so I'd take this as a splinter for clubs.
Playing 2/1 or BBO Advanced, no other agreements, I would assume natural and invitational. There's no other way to show such a hand, since 2♦ would be weaker and you'd need a game force to start with a 2/1 call.
Playing 2/1 with invitational jumps (popular among expert players), a direct 3♦ would've been natural and invitational. Since that's not a possible hand type, this sequence should be a splinter for clubs.
Playing 2/1 with some sort of BART, most good hands would start with 2♦ (artificial) and a direct 3♦ would be weak. This also applies if, like Elianna and me, you play some sort of Gazilli 2♣.
Playing any system where 2/1s aren't unilaterally game forcing, you could start with 2♦ on an invitational hand with diamonds, so I'd take this as a splinter for clubs.
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Posted 2005-November-20, 18:27
If you are playing 2/1, natural and invitational is the standard meaning - should be a good 6 card suit.
Playing Standard American, this bid doesn't exist, unless a partnership says it does.
Peter
Playing Standard American, this bid doesn't exist, unless a partnership says it does.
Peter
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Posted 2005-November-20, 20:22
I think it depends on if you are playing 2/1 95% gf or 100% gf. If it is 100% gf, then you must have a bid for the invitational hand with a diamond suit, so 3D has to be natural and invitational.
If you play responder's suit rebid as invitational, then 3D cannot be a real suit and it should be splinter.
If you play responder's suit rebid as invitational, then 3D cannot be a real suit and it should be splinter.
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Posted 2005-November-21, 00:56
natural and invitational.
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Posted 2005-November-21, 00:57
flytoox, on Nov 20 2005, 09:22 PM, said:
I think it depends on if you are playing 2/1 95% gf or 100% gf. If it is 100% gf, then you must have a bid for the invitational hand with a diamond suit, so 3D has to be natural and invitational.
If you play responder's suit rebid as invitational, then 3D cannot be a real suit and it should be splinter.
If you play responder's suit rebid as invitational, then 3D cannot be a real suit and it should be splinter.
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