[whereagles]

Matchpoints, adv opps, you hold:

Scoring: MP

Pard RHO you LHO
pass 1♦ . pass 1NT
2♣ . pass pass 2♦
pass pass ..?

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Do you try and compete or sell-out?

[luke warm]

i'd double

[Gerben42]

I'll make a "do something intelligent partner"-double also.

[FrancesHinden]

While I'd love to make a take-out double, it should be penalties here.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

Marlowe

[Fluffy]

Partner's most lieklley 3326 (one has to have 6♣ to overcall on RHO's suit). A double will leave us in a poor 4-3 fit. 3♣ will play much better.

[Kalvan14]

I vore for double (t/o, obviously). Both majors and tolerance for ♣ is fine with me

[Winstonm]

This is an extrememly dangerous auction to enter in the minor - even more so as a passed hand. The NT bidder either has clubs or diamonds. What kind of hands make any sense to pass and bid 2C?

Kx, xxx, xx, KQJ10xx

A hand similar to this is the only thing that makes sense to me. In 3C, we'll be losing 2 diamonds, 2/3 hearts and a spade. We've moved them out of the higher scoring NT and partner has told me what to lead.

I pass. I don't have the shape or cards to really compete any higher and I don't want to punish partner for helping me find the right lead.

Winston

[whereagles]

Thx all. Actually pard had no-where near a 2♣ bid, so any action you take is going to get you into trouble.

I just wanted to know if there was willingness to compete. Thx again.

[Double !]

Winstonm, on Nov 12 2005, 11:41 AM, said:

This is an extrememly dangerous auction to enter in the minor - even more so as a passed hand. The NT bidder either has clubs or diamonds. What kind of hands make any sense to pass and bid 2C?

Kx, xxx, xx, KQJ10xx

A hand similar to this is the only thing that makes sense to me. In 3C, we'll be losing 2 diamonds, 2/3 hearts and a spade. We've moved them out of the higher scoring NT and partner has told me what to lead.

I pass. I don't have the shape or cards to really compete any higher and I don't want to punish partner for helping me find the right lead.

Winston

makes sense to me
I have soft values, many losers
p is a passed hand
p took a big risk, and this included playing me for certain values (fortunately, I have them, but no more). we have maybe 1/2 the deck, but not a really good fit.

[fred]

I would have bid on the previous round (probably 2D, but 3C also OK).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[Flame]

fred, on Nov 13 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

I would have bid on the previous round (probably 2D, but 3C also OK).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

very surprising, can you pls explain ?
Im not even sure 2♦ isnt natural, same as im not sure a double now isnt penalty. might depnd on whather they play inverted or not cause if not then 2D show only 3 diamonds, while if playing inverted it would show 4D

[fred]

Jlall, on Nov 13 2005, 08:30 PM, said:

fred, on Nov 13 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

I would have bid on the previous round (probably 2D, but 3C also OK).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

I would have too if partner was not a passed hand, but I don't think so opposite a passed hand. Is the reason to bid just that it is unlikely the opps will sell out to 2C and you may find a major suit fit with 2D?

Sorry - I did not see that partner was a passed hand. Seemed like everyone was going crazy, but I see now that it was me

Still reasonable to do something on the first round, but hard to be too critical of the pass now.

Having passed, I would not sell out to 2D. If I knew my partner would understand double now as "takeout" then I have a perfect hand for that. Otherwise I would compete to 3C.

Unless my partnership had a specific rule like "all undiscussed low level doubles are for takeout", I would not put my partner in the position of having to guess what my double meant.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com