[dosxtres]

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You open this two hands by 1♥, opp pass and you hear 1♠ or 1N,
what do u rebid? (SAYC/2/1 or SEF bids)

Ty all in advance.

[P_Marlowe]

SEF: If I recall it correctly, 2NT in the seq.

1H - 1S
2NT - ... shows 15-17, I dont buy it, but
that's the system

over 1NT: 2 NT

SAYC, 2/1:

over
1S, assuming it is natural, 2C
1NT, assuming it is natural: 2NT
assumnd it is forcing (2/1): 2C

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Gerben42]

Quote

1) This is why you open 1N with this hand.

If you do the French Bridge Federation will ban you for a year. This is still one of the minor crimes. I think for playing F****ery you get 10 years.

Otherwise, I agree with opening 1NT.

[Winstonm]

Jlall, on Nov 14 2005, 09:41 AM, said:

1) This is why you open 1N with this hand.

2) 2N (18-19, which is about the hand's value).

Exactly and well said.

[mike777]

OK since no answered the real question except Marlowe I will try.

1) 2clubs over 1s ( 2clubs may only be 3 card suit, in fact may only be a 2 card suit and has a very wide range, 11-17/18 hcp). Over 1nt rebid 2nt.
2) 2nt (upgrade your hand to 18-19)


As for why every one is opening 1nt with this hand type, 14-16 hcp and 5 hearts and only 2 spades, who knows? Perhaps they win more often with opening this hand 1NT rather then 1H or it makes the bidding easier for some reason but it would be helpful to have more logical and in depth discussion that just the answer.
1) Is the 3 card major suit disparity enough of a reason to open 1H? If not why not?
2) Any change in this hand cause you to open 1H rather than 1NT?

[Walddk]

The French have other strange ideas:

"Don't open 1NT with 4-4 in the majors" is another. Not sure what opener's rebid is after 1♦ - 2♣ (not game forcing in French Standard) with

♠ KJ105
♥ AQ62
♦ K85
♣ K3

A third is that it's a major crime to support with only 3 cards in responder's major. Examples:

♠ A105
♥ 4
♦ KQ87
♣ K5432

1♣ - 1♠
2♣


♠KJ5
♥32
♦AQ832
♣K104

1♦ - 1♠
1NT

or maybe 2♦, but never 2♠.

Roland

[Robert]

hello everyone

Has the ACBL opened a branch office in France?

I often support partner on 3145 shapes playing standard methods.

Oh well, my French tour is now deleted, so I can just skip playing bridge there.

If they bar you for a year for 'that infraction', just looking at my CC would be cause for them to lead me off to the guillotine.

Regards,
Robert

[Walddk]

Robert, on Nov 14 2005, 06:37 PM, said:

If they bar you for a year for 'that infraction', just looking at my CC would be cause for them to lead me off to the guillotine.

Regards,
Robert

They would kill you for less than that it seems. Just "look" at Jeanne d'Arc. As far as I know she never supported with only 3 cards, and yet she disappeared in flames.

Roland

[mike777]

Aue contraire mon a me.

Many would say she played with less than a full deck.

[dosxtres]

Ty all for your answeres.

I think, i would probabily open 1NT with this hand
♠K7 ♥A7654 ♦AQ8 ♣KJ5 playing normal 1NT (no five major)

But i'm not sure to open 1NT with the 2 honor major 5 playing normal 1NT, and i think there is no good rebid for giving points and distribution.
Maybe would be better playing Puppet 1NT?

ty.

[P_Marlowe]

dosxtres, on Nov 15 2005, 04:10 AM, said:

Ty all for your answeres.

I think, i would probabily open 1NT with this hand
♠K7 ♥A7654 ♦AQ8 ♣KJ5 playing normal 1NT (no five major)

But i'm not sure to open 1NT with the 2 honor major 5 playing normal 1NT, and i think there is no good rebid for giving points and distribution.
Maybe would be better playing Puppet 1NT?

ty.

Hi,

playing Puppet Stayman will solve this problem,
but playing puppet stayman, you wont be able to
use Stayman as responder on a weak hand
with 4-4 in the mayor, because opener will answer
2 NT with no mayor.
No big lost in my opinion, but other think differently,
... at least keep it in mind.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Gerben42]

About Puppet Stayman, I think it's not worth it after 1NT.

Secondly, there is a big problem only with 5♥, not so much with 5♠ (1♠ - 1NT - 2NT is about 16 - 17).

If you really want to find out about your 5♥ when opening 1NT then respond 2NT to Stayman showing 5♥. Some people don't like this, but I still do

[joker_gib]

Walddk, on Nov 14 2005, 06:10 PM, said:

The French have other strange ideas:

"Don't open 1NT with 4-4 in the majors" is another. Not sure what opener's rebid is after 1♦ - 2♣ (not game forcing in French Standard) with

♠ KJ105
♥ AQ62
♦ K85
♣ K3

Never heard of this Roland, sorry !

A lot of French play the 2NT response to Stayman as both majors so they open 1NT with both majors

Alain

[Walddk]

joker_gib, on Nov 15 2005, 02:48 PM, said:

Walddk, on Nov 14 2005, 06:10 PM, said:

The French have other strange ideas:

"Don't open 1NT with 4-4 in the majors" is another. Not sure what opener's rebid is after 1♦ - 2♣ (not game forcing in French Standard) with

♠ KJ105
♥ AQ62
♦ K85
♣ K3

Never heard of this Roland, sorry !

A lot of French play the 2NT response to Stayman as both majors so they open 1NT with both majors

Alain

Well, during a recent vugraph broadcast a commentator and several spectators claimed that Alain Levy among other French stars recommend that you don't open 1NT with 4-4 in the majors. Then the commentators had a lengthy discussion about the rebid problems if you don't open 1NT.

Roland

[Flame]

Two good solutions:
a. open 1NT
b. play gazilli
Two bad soluations:
a. bid 2nt over 1nt
b. bid a 3 card minor suit.

[joker_gib]

Walddk, on Nov 15 2005, 03:13 PM, said:

that Alain Levy among other French stars recommend that you don't open 1NT with 4-4 in the majors.

I'm really doubtful of that and I can assure you that this is a 1NT opening in French Standard !

Alain