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A 2nd lead problem

Poll: Which card do you play? (9 member(s) have cast votes)

Which card do you play?

  1. small heart (1 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  2. small diamond (7 votes [77.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.78%

  3. queen of spade (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. queen of club (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. other (1 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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#1 User is offline   Kalvan14 

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Posted 2005-November-06, 22:00

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The bidding is quite simple and straightforward.
N E S W
P (5) P P
X All P

You decide to lead the A, to have a look at dummy. Pard plays the K, and declarer a small one.
What do you play at trick 2, and why?

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Posted 2005-November-06, 23:16

diamond...partner cant encourage diamonds more than by playing the king. I have no reason not to play a diamond here. If pard wants a spade ruff or something crazy he can play the DQ but given his X this doesnt seem possible. If declarer is going to ruff then he cant pitch all his hearts unless he's 111-10.
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Posted 2005-November-06, 23:23

As a passed hand it's hard to visualize this double...but if pard meant it as lead directing I don't see it unless opener is 4018. Seems more likely partner is balanced with 4441 pattern or 4432. He cannot hold the heart A, the KQ of diamonds and the A of clubs as a passed hand. Best estimate is that he holds:

xxxx, Axxx, KQJx, x.

and opener holds:

void, x, xxx, AKJxxxxxx.

I lead a second diamond to give partner the count just in case opener is:

void, void, xxxx, AKJxxxxxx.
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Posted 2005-November-06, 23:33

looks like your partner felt that your pass of 5 was a forcing pass :lol:

The choices are a or the 4.

The is wrong when declarer is 2=0=2=9 and partner has the (impossible, since he passed)A or King or when declarer is 2=0=3=8

The is almost foolproof: I cannot think of a layout on which it is fatal: surely partner can read my 4 and deduce the count. The exception seems to be declarer being 1=1=3=8, and partner fearing 2=0=3=8. His trump switch costs an extra undertrick but not the contract.

So I play a small .

I confess that I am looking forward to seeing why this is wrong.

BTW, I am assuming that partner will not have wild shape: with 11 or 12 red cards, he should not be passing as dealer and not be doubling 5, so I am not worrying about declarer being 1=1=1=10 or 4=0=1=8
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Posted 2005-November-07, 02:40

Hello everyone

Passed hand doubles at the five level should be lead directing much like a passed hand double of a 4 major contract. You cannot have the defensive values to double for takeout so these doubles have a lead directing meaning or you are looking at QJ109x of their trump suit. :lol:

The double says that opener does have 4 spades so I give partner a spade ruff. My spade holding will get another trick after partner ruffs the first spade. If declarer plays a high spade at trick one, I could get two tricks.

If partner does not have a spade void, you should suddenly remember a previous engagement right after this hand is over. Doubling an opening 5m bid with A AK is just not good bridge.

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Posted 2005-November-08, 04:32



Well, it was not a top competition, my partner thought that it was protecting me, and frankly the lady who opened 5 was not a top performer either.
OTOH, there is no right return this time.
Even if you return a spade the lil lady wins in dummy, play the K, and ruffs your partner ace. Then plays diamond. You have to play back clubs, otherwise a ruff in dummy is the 11th trick, but on the run of the clubs you are squeezed between spades and Q.
So I played a diamond, giving count, and pard played back clubs. The lady wnt to dummy in spades, but now the count of the hand is clear enough, and when she played a small heart pard did not put on the ace. A lucky escape.
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