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4♣ you
opps silent
* total negative
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Another Imp Bid Problem what to do with no hand?
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Posted 2005-November-07, 13:52
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2♣ 2♥*
4♣ you
opps silent
* total negative
your call?
2♣ 2♥*
4♣ you
opps silent
* total negative
your call?
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Posted 2005-November-07, 14:00
hmm 5clubs seems easy, must be missing something?
Not sure how you play 2h here. Deny A or K but can have 12 tiny hcp or some 0-3 hcp is the limit?
Not sure how you play 2h here. Deny A or K but can have 12 tiny hcp or some 0-3 hcp is the limit?
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Posted 2005-November-07, 14:15
I say "Yikes, I need to buy cigarrettes"
Then I stand up and hurry to the door and they will never see me again...
Seriously what the heck is 4♣ ?
Then I stand up and hurry to the door and they will never see me again...
Seriously what the heck is 4♣ ?
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Posted 2005-November-07, 14:33
No 4♣ is not splinter in support of hearts. It establishes trumps and is forcing. You have a ruffing value (diamonds) and a fit, cue-bid 4♦. I read the other thread with this hand by the way, you would have had trouble with the director I think.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 14:37
Partner's 4C shows a massive hand and requests we cue bid a second round control (assuming 2H meant we cannot have a first round control).
I'm not sure what "total negative" means, but I imagine I cue bid 4D.
If I'm playing in a pick-up partnership, it's more likely that partner is frightened I'll pass 3C, and I probably just raise to 5C.
I wouldn't play partner to have splintered in support of hearts unless he didn't alert the 2H bid. And then I'd expect to have the score adjusted later.
I'm not sure what "total negative" means, but I imagine I cue bid 4D.
If I'm playing in a pick-up partnership, it's more likely that partner is frightened I'll pass 3C, and I probably just raise to 5C.
I wouldn't play partner to have splintered in support of hearts unless he didn't alert the 2H bid. And then I'd expect to have the score adjusted later.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 14:49
FrancesHinden, on Nov 7 2005, 03:37 PM, said:
Partner's 4C shows a massive hand and requests we cue bid a second round control (assuming 2H meant we cannot have a first round control).
I'm not sure what "total negative" means, but I imagine I cue bid 4D.
If I'm playing in a pick-up partnership, it's more likely that partner is frightened I'll pass 3C, and I probably just raise to 5C.
I wouldn't play partner to have splintered in support of hearts unless he didn't alert the 2H bid. And then I'd expect to have the score adjusted later.
I'm not sure what "total negative" means, but I imagine I cue bid 4D.
If I'm playing in a pick-up partnership, it's more likely that partner is frightened I'll pass 3C, and I probably just raise to 5C.
I wouldn't play partner to have splintered in support of hearts unless he didn't alert the 2H bid. And then I'd expect to have the score adjusted later.
I agree with everything here, except the last. If partner did not alert 2♥, I am still stuck with my agreement, and thus must bid 4♦. I do not think that taking advantage of the non-alert is correct, even if I am planning on calling the director afterwards myself.
This presupposes that I had a legitimate basis for thinking that we had the agreement that 2♥ was negative. If I had just been guessing, then I am in an even worse pickle... but I still don't think that I am going to change my bid because of the failure to alert.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 15:14
no 2♥ was alerted as showing no values, 2♦ is waiting.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 15:51
4♣ is stronger than 3♣ which would be to play. 4♦ cue bid now, my hand has become great!
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Posted 2005-November-07, 16:00
luis, on Nov 7 2005, 03:15 PM, said:
I say "Yikes, I need to buy cigarrettes"
Then I stand up and hurry to the door and they will never see me again...
Seriously what the heck is 4♣ ?
Then I stand up and hurry to the door and they will never see me again...
Seriously what the heck is 4♣ ?
♥yes Luis,yikes
what the heck is four clubs?
Now i assume when opening 2♣ followed by 2♦/2♥, then bidding 2♥/♠ is still forcing to at least 2NT.
Now if partner bids 3♣/3♦ over negative responses shouldnt it still be forcing to 3NT at least?
So this would tend to rule out 4♣ as being better than 3♣?
And two suiters arent really suited IMHO for opening 2♣
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