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You are in 2nd chair, red on white, against unknown opps. MP pairs, strat:
A6xx
ATx
xxx
AQx
RHO opens 1♦. Your action?
Do you, or don't you? A Hand from the Lancaster Regional
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Posted 2005-November-06, 20:06
"Champions aren't made in gyms, champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill. " - M. Ali
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Posted 2005-November-06, 20:22
X. Necessary to avoid being completely stolen from. With xxx of diamonds it's not even that ugly.
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Posted 2005-November-06, 22:13
Same here. A take-out double, without much shape (you have in any case 4-3 in majors), but with more than decent strength. And it is now or possibly never.
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Posted 2005-November-06, 23:11
double: shows support for all the unbid suits (which I have in a twisted sort of way). I used to pass these hands: then I learned better 
No guarantees, but experience suggests better to bid now and pass later than the reverse
No guarantees, but experience suggests better to bid now and pass later than the reverse
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Posted 2005-November-06, 23:20
mikeh, on Nov 7 2005, 12:11 AM, said:
I used to pass these hands: then I learned better
ditto.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 04:06
X
Not the perfect shape but As Mikeh said I have support for all suits, 3 aces and 14 HCP.
Not the perfect shape but As Mikeh said I have support for all suits, 3 aces and 14 HCP.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 04:10
Double.
Bad shape, but 3 card support for all the unbid suits, and, most important, no wasted values.
If pard has support I hop to play the hand along the lines of dummy reversal.
Bad shape, but 3 card support for all the unbid suits, and, most important, no wasted values.
If pard has support I hop to play the hand along the lines of dummy reversal.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 04:16
keylime, on Nov 7 2005, 03:06 PM, said:
You are in 2nd chair, red on white, against unknown opps. MP pairs, strat:
A6xx
ATx
xxx
AQx
RHO opens 1♦. Your action?
A6xx
ATx
xxx
AQx
RHO opens 1♦. Your action?
can't see any other bid but X
even at red V white because "It's NOW or never "(to quote Elvis totally outside bridge and irrevelant
)seriously IF you don't X with a decent 14 count how do you ever bid anything? -- you don't have a decent suit of you own
AND you have at LEAST 3 card support for any suit P might be forced to bid if LHO passes WTP ??? 
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Posted 2005-November-07, 11:57
Red on white you've got a pass imo.
"Takeout doubles with weak NT hands are losing bridge"
With a bit more shape I'd X.
J
"Takeout doubles with weak NT hands are losing bridge"
With a bit more shape I'd X.
J
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Posted 2005-November-07, 12:19
Pass, automatic, 3 low diamonds :-)
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Posted 2005-November-07, 13:44
Pass!
I always get a kick out of watching folks make doubles on triple-three-4's. Then they wonder why they go down in 2 of a major after pard gets tapped a few times in his 4-3 fit at the 2 level. Oh well, lose 4 IMPS to tough luck (our pards struggled in 1N and got nipped a trick).
The ♦xxx is another black mark, but it wouldn't matter to me if it was Hxx.
I always get a kick out of watching folks make doubles on triple-three-4's. Then they wonder why they go down in 2 of a major after pard gets tapped a few times in his 4-3 fit at the 2 level. Oh well, lose 4 IMPS to tough luck (our pards struggled in 1N and got nipped a trick).
The ♦xxx is another black mark, but it wouldn't matter to me if it was Hxx.
"Phil" on BBO
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Posted 2005-November-07, 14:50
pclayton, on Nov 7 2005, 02:44 PM, said:
Pass!
I always get a kick out of watching folks make doubles on triple-three-4's. Then they wonder why they go down in 2 of a major after pard gets tapped a few times in his 4-3 fit at the 2 level. Oh well, lose 4 IMPS to tough luck (our pards struggled in 1N and got nipped a trick).
The ♦xxx is another black mark, but it wouldn't matter to me if it was Hxx.
I always get a kick out of watching folks make doubles on triple-three-4's. Then they wonder why they go down in 2 of a major after pard gets tapped a few times in his 4-3 fit at the 2 level. Oh well, lose 4 IMPS to tough luck (our pards struggled in 1N and got nipped a trick).
The ♦xxx is another black mark, but it wouldn't matter to me if it was Hxx.
I always get a kick out of watching people pass and wondering why they missed game with 14 opp 11/12 and were defending 1N. Oh well lose 10 to bad luck.
Oh, we are defending 2S and pard has a stiff spade and 5 hearts? Crap we missed 4H. Lose another 10 to bad luck.
Oh, the opps made a partscore when we could have made a partscore? Lose 6 to bad luck.
Oh, I felt like i had to bid later in the auction because I hadn't shown my values? Oh well... -800 lose 12.
BTW xxx is BETTER than other holdings with 3 diamonds. As opposed to an overcall, after we X partner will be playing the hand so they won't be leading through him. All of our values are outside of diamonds, which is a good thing. Qxx would be much worse here.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 14:56
I agree with justin and mikeh here. You got to get in now or never, and although I overcall on four card suits, Axxx just isnot good enough to bid. So, it is double and then I am out of the auction.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 15:08
As much as I find the hand shape repugnant, the values and placement are more than adequate for a double. Sometimes pard will even bid some number of spades or NT and he may not be thrilled with your hand but he will be able to use it......
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Posted 2005-November-07, 15:12
Double. But give me just one ace less and I pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 18:38
i admit my first thought was "double, wtp?" ... but then i read that other thread where luis talked about xxx in their opened suit... now i'm totally confused 
i'd still x
i'd still x
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Posted 2005-November-07, 18:41
I would double here, but consider this a complete minimum, and won't accept any invitations.
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Posted 2005-November-07, 22:37
I strongly felt a double was out of the question. 4-3-3-3 hands are worth lying in wait for.
Now for the rest of the hand:
1♦ - X - 1♠ - 4♥ (on void KQJT9 xxx KJxxx, but felt I better get us moving quick instead of a puny responsive double).
LHO sacs at 4♠, pard X's. I pull and get corrected into five hearts, off one. Diamonds are yep, 3-3, in our hands. We have 150 honors in hearts and it was not a good board.
Now for the rest of the hand:
1♦ - X - 1♠ - 4♥ (on void KQJT9 xxx KJxxx, but felt I better get us moving quick instead of a puny responsive double).
LHO sacs at 4♠, pard X's. I pull and get corrected into five hearts, off one. Diamonds are yep, 3-3, in our hands. We have 150 honors in hearts and it was not a good board.
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Posted 2005-November-08, 04:48
keylime, on Nov 8 2005, 04:37 AM, said:
I strongly felt a double was out of the question. 4-3-3-3 hands are worth lying in wait for.
Now for the rest of the hand:
1♦ - X - 1♠ - 4♥ (on void KQJT9 xxx KJxxx, but felt I better get us moving quick instead of a puny responsive double).
LHO sacs at 4♠, pard X's. I pull and get corrected into five hearts, off one. Diamonds are yep, 3-3, in our hands. We have 150 honors in hearts and it was not a good board.
Now for the rest of the hand:
1♦ - X - 1♠ - 4♥ (on void KQJT9 xxx KJxxx, but felt I better get us moving quick instead of a puny responsive double).
LHO sacs at 4♠, pard X's. I pull and get corrected into five hearts, off one. Diamonds are yep, 3-3, in our hands. We have 150 honors in hearts and it was not a good board.
What's worse
a. stretching to double with 4333, bad shape but no wasted honors ?
or
b. pulling pard's double of 4S ?
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Posted 2005-November-08, 04:51
The second one, by quite a long way. Partner doubled because he didn't want to hear you bid 5H