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Low level BAM decision with balanced 18 count

Poll: BAM, vul vs not, dealer. A2 J95 AJ10 AKJ98. 1C 1N P 2C; X 2D P 2H; ? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

BAM, vul vs not, dealer. A2 J95 AJ10 AKJ98. 1C 1N P 2C; X 2D P 2H; ?

  1. Pass, and would pass even if none vul (17 votes [80.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 80.95%

  2. 3C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Double (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  4. Pass, but 3C if none vul (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  5. Pass, but Double if none vul (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  6. Other (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

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#1 User is offline   kfgauss 

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Posted 2005-October-27, 00:30

BAM, vul vs not, you hold A2 J95 AJ10 AKJ98 and deal.
1C 1N P 2C
X 2D P 2H
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2D shows 4+D (with fewer, LHO would pass the double)
2H is both majors, weak (4-4 or better)

Do you act? If not, would you act if none vul?

Andy
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Posted 2005-October-27, 00:51

No. My hand has been already made clear to partner. Up to him.
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Posted 2005-October-27, 02:53

Pass, I hope for perfect defense from me and p. ;) 3♣ is probably too high with the NT hand behind me...
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Posted 2005-October-27, 03:34

Pass

No shape, no major fit. It's time to make a good defence ! ;)

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Posted 2005-October-27, 06:30

Presumably the X of 2C showed a) genuine clubs worth competing in and b ) extras. Therefore by my reckoning I've already bid my hand. I do have a lot of losers and a partner who rates to have zilch. So I pass
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Posted 2005-October-27, 08:09

I don't agree that I've shown extra values, but I have shown extra clubs. Partner can figure out the values part when they aren't in game, and if he can't compete I just have nowhere to go. This could be a misfit deal.
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Posted 2005-October-27, 21:23

Here was the full hand:

Scoring: BAM

P 1C 1N P
2C X 2D P
2H P P P


2H went down two, but the other table was in 2S making 3.

West's double of 2C certainly doesn't show extras as far as I'm concerned, it just shows clubs (5 good clubs or 6+, I'd say). Would double now just be cards as all suits have been bid naturally? If not, what would double now mean?

In any case, examples of hands where you would double here would be nice, given that very few people seem to be doubling on this hand.

Also, should East be bidding 2S here (ie directly over 1N)? If none vul?

Andy

[Edit: seems we weren't dealer, but rather 2nd seat. This shouldn't change anything, though.]
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Posted 2005-October-27, 21:31

no east shouldn't be bidding. An example of a X for me would include short hearts. As for getting to 2S after east shows both majors, and his pard is known to have 2-3 spades, thats just too tough.
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