[Fluffy]

I agree with MickyB, I never raise to 2♥ with 3 cards, but will often bid 2♥ with a doubleton honnor, that doesn't mean I won't rebid a good 5 card ♦ suit when I have 4252 without ♥ honnor or 4153 when I don't have ♣ stopper.


I take natural aproaches as well, raising 4SF just means... well I ahve 4 cards there (or even 5!).

[FrancesHinden]

adhoc3, on Oct 25 2005, 10:01 PM, said:

3D, showing exactly 4162 or 4261 shape. Guess PD has good D support and he will be very happy to know my shape.

We have good chance to play 7D with pd's: Kx Axxx AKx Axx.

One of the things partner definitely shouldn't have is good diamond support.
If he had diamonds he would have raised them over 2D. Your sample hand (plus a 13th card) is surely a 3D bid.

[Echognome]

I bid 3NT and that was fine. I forget partner's exact hand, but I know we were missing the A and K of diamonds. I think he was pretty solid everywhere else. I only posted as I wondered whether I should have bid diamonds a 3rd time or whether that would tend to show a better hand (or a different shaped hand).

[mikeh]

I agree with those who say that we have not yet shown the 6th ♦, and the suit quality is such that I like it for slam purposes if partner voluntarily suggests a ♦ slam. However, he had a chance to bid 3♦ over my 2♦. He might still have slam-suitable support, but if he does, and if his hand is strong enough to make a move, he will bid over 3N.

I have no extras, altho what I have is pretty good.

I hope that partner can bid, for example, 4N over 3N: I would bid 6♦ then.

Until that time, 3N gets my vote

PS I just read the post about the ♦AK being missing: too bad (for me) if he bids 4N, but that seems unlikely given that my black suit holdings

[FrancesHinden]

Yes, as long as we know that partner would have raised diamonds with 3 the previous round.

[kfgauss]

I typically play that rebidding your 2nd suit at the 2-level, ie 2S here, is the catchall, and to show 5-6 you jump to 3S.

Of course, playing that you've already promised 5+D or 4-1-4-4, perhaps this isn't best as then 2D is not needed to show 5. Still, it's perhaps nice to have it show 6 in your methods and so this could be bid with 4-1-5-xxx or 4-xx-5-2 hands.

Andy

[pclayton]

Agree with Mike and Arend - this isn;t a Walsh sequence. A lot of people think it is, so its good to clarify.

Anyway, even if 1♠ promises an unbalanced hand (I used to play that way) 2♦ doesn't guarantee a 6th diamond. What would you rebid with: AKxx, xx, KQxxx, xx?

This is close between 3♦ and 3N. Pard WILL be paranoid about 3N holding his single club stopper, but I'm worried about hearts. 6♦ may still be in the works (and 3N may be yucky) opposite: Kx, Axxx, Kxx, Axxx.

[pclayton]

Jlall, on Oct 27 2005, 11:55 AM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 27 2005, 02:05 PM, said:

6♦ may still be in the works (and 3N may be yucky) opposite: Kx, Axxx, Kxx, Axxx.

If partner couldn't find a 3D bid over 2D with THIS hand then I won't be playing with him again.

Fair enough.

[Fluffy]

pclayton, on Oct 27 2005, 07:05 PM, said:

What would you rebid with: AKxx, xx, KQxxx, xx?

Its a matter of partnership, but I think that is a clear 2♠ rebid, Axxx, xx, AQJxx, xx would be more like 2♦