[MickyB]

FrancesHinden, on Oct 25 2005, 11:14 AM, said:

[RHO opens 2♦, you have KQTxx Jxx Kxx Jx]
1. You don't say what the form of scoring is. At pairs I bid 2S. At IMPS I would probably pass, but I don't mind 2S.

Wow, thought this would be a unanimous pass. Have been thinking that if I'm not going to balance light as an unpassed hand I should get in more in direct seat, this gives me some confidence to do it, thx

[tysen2k]

MickyB, on Oct 25 2005, 01:52 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Oct 25 2005, 11:14 AM, said:

[RHO opens 2♦, you have KQTxx Jxx Kxx Jx]
1. You don't say what the form of scoring is. At pairs I bid 2S. At IMPS I would probably pass, but I don't mind 2S.

Wow, thought this would be a unanimous pass. Have been thinking that if I'm not going to balance light as an unpassed hand I should get in more in direct seat, this gives me some confidence to do it, thx

Would you overcall 1♠ with this hand over a 1♦ opening? You have to be a little more careful at the 2-level, but as a general rule I think your requirements should be about the same. It's a much better overcall at MPs.

[Kalvan14]

Jlall, on Oct 25 2005, 06:28 PM, said:

tysen2k, on Oct 25 2005, 05:57 PM, said:

Would you overcall 1♠ with this hand over a 1♦ opening?  You have to be a little more careful at the 2-level, but as a general rule I think your requirements should be about the same.  It's a much better overcall at MPs.

Really? My requirements are MUCH different, but I guess that is a style thing (I'm agressive at 1 level and conservative at 2 level). I guess that shows here since I think a 1S overcall is auto and personally would not consider 2S over 2D.

Why the criteria should be so different going from level 1 to level 2?
In a way, you are in a better position: RHO has a limited hand, while, had he opened 1♦, his hand would be unlimited.
With a decent suit like this, I would be happy (maybe not really happy - let's say willing) to bid 2♠

The 7♠ hand is a funny one; the normal bid should be double. It never really pays to go for very long chances (and seeing the cards, I'd be happy to have doubled). OTOH, you never know what happens at the table. I am not surprised that someone jumped to bid 7N. It depends a lot on the status of the match: this kind of decision cannot be taken in a vacuum.
Years ago, in a very similar freakish hand, I reached 7♠ in a whiff (I had 9 or 10 ♠ with all the top honors, plus a chicane and a couple aces), and when RHO doubled, I redoubled: at worst I would have been 1 light, so I was betting 100 points against 730, not a bad bet with 7:1 odds

[Fluffy]

FrancesHinden, on Oct 25 2005, 03:56 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Oct 25 2005, 10:24 AM, said:

2. Pass, double would probably make partner lead a ♦, ,but maybe I am wrong. Partner can figure by himself that ♥A won't cash

We're on lead.
I imagine we're going to lead a top club (anything else strikes me as (over)-inspired).

are we? then double, what is the problem?

[Fluffy]

Why didn't opponent bid 7♠ to make?

He can have for example:

♠KQxxx
♥x/-
♦AKJ109xx
♣x/-

you will just gamble they don't find the right lead. (PArtner cannot have 2 aces so scientific bids aren't of any use).



And why didn't partner meant 7♥ as a sacrifice?

He just needs a 8 card ♥ or a 7-5.

[tysen2k]

Jlall, on Oct 26 2005, 06:00 AM, said:

Kalvan14, on Oct 26 2005, 01:33 AM, said:

Why the criteria should be so different going from level 1 to level 2?

1) They are much more likely to X you at the 2 level than the 1 level.
2) If they X you at the 1 level you're more likely to be able to scramble out successfully since you're a level lower.
3) If you overcall light at the 1 level and partner has something like 13 points and support he can cuebid and then raise over your signoff to show that so you can still stop below game. If you overcall at the 2 level you'll just get to game.
4) If you overcall at the 1 level on junk and partner bids a new suit it's non forcing so you can still get off the hook. If he does this at the 3 level after you overcall at the 2 level, you're in a forcing auction.
5) Third seat is in a much better position to put pressure on partner (if the opening was a preempt), and in close situations he will generally bid. The worst thing about overcalling light is when the auction gets very competitive and the opponents are preempting.

I do not see the appeal in overcalling this hand at the 2 level. You have no shape, and 2 jacks, and no aces, but again that is just my style. I respect that others play differently, though I'm mildly surprised by how many would overcall with this hand.

All valid points, but if your requirements are too strict to overcall then you will get robbed by preempters.

For me I would pass this hand over 2♦, but overcall over 1♦. So my requirements are not exactly the same, but I'm just saying they shouldn't be that different.

[Kalvan14]

Jlall, on Oct 26 2005, 11:10 AM, said:

tysen2k, on Oct 26 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

All valid points, but if your requirements are too strict to overcall then you will get robbed by preempters.

yep, that is the downside and happens occasionally.

Well, mine was mostly a rethorical question. I'm pretty well aware of the difference between the 1 and 2 levels
OTOH, it is a matter of style: I like to get in, and, on the long run, I've not suffered from this flaw.
I can understand that other players have different standards; the important thing is to behave in a consistent way. Otherwise poor pard will have to start forking out money to shrinks

[Trpltrbl]

mike777, on Oct 25 2005, 11:49 AM, said:

Hand 1: heck, not vulnerable...got a really good suit, the King of diamonds is well placed...if pard has a good hand, finesses in the round suits will tend to win....So i bid 2 only spades.

-- -- 2D 2S
4D 7S all pass


Axx
AKTxx
-
AQT9x


KQTxx
Jxx
Kxx
Jx

Small diamond led...Plan the play....

That's what I get for overcalling 2♠, about 30% of my values in a worthless card.
I better make this or I will walking down to the pdship desk looking for a new pd, again......

Well, I have to play the ♥ for no losers, that is about 39% and then I still need the ♣ K to come down too or the ♠J to be doubleton, that's about 27%. And of course I have many entree problems too, I wonder why pd would just blast 7♠.
Hasn't he played long enough with me to know I really don't have what I am supposed to have to justify my bidding
I ruff the first trick, hate going down in trick one
Play the Ace of♥, and of course the Q doesn't drop, pull trump and take the ♥ finesse.
And then later take the ♣ finesse. I think that gives you the best chance.

GBB