Too Dangerous? Overcalling a 4H opener
#2 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:01
That being said..I'd probably bid 4S here lol. Can get anywhere from +790 to -1100 so who knows. There are things working in my favor...
-My void
-I have a "pure" 2 suiter...those are the type of hands that create double grame swings.
-Good spots in the black suits
-They may not be able to X when it's right. RHO may have a "heavy" third seat 4H bid that isn't good enough to hit 4S, and lho is sort of in the dark (he won't double without a big stack).
Sick bid though.
#3
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:02
#4
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:29
I like 4♠, I really do, but I wouldn't bid it.
Question for those who do: how fast does the double need to be for you to run to 5♣?
As for the posted question:
passing: good result (anything above average to top...maybe they missed an easy slam with lho having a marginal opening bid) 33%
4♠: good result: 33%
Other: can't think of any other call.
So the deciding factor for me is bad result expectations:
passing: 33%
4♠: 67%
I do not think that bidding 4♠ would be common (although I suspect that many players will not face this problem: someone at the table could certainly have made a different 1st call given my hand). 4♠ here is playing for tops and bottoms.
#5
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:30
- hrothgar
#6
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:33
Pass may very well be the winning bid, but it's too wimpish to my liking. If you never go for 800 or 1100, you don't bid enough. If LHO had been an unpassed hand, I would tilt towards pass.
Roland
#7 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:34
mikeh, on Oct 19 2005, 11:29 AM, said:
Come on Mike, remember when you were young??
#8
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:38
Roland
#9
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:44
Walddk, on Oct 19 2005, 11:38 AM, said:
Roland
Not only that, but seems an old wimp as well.
Winston
#10
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:53
I was also once a member of an imp team, in our local imp league, called 'The Wimps'. Despite (or because) of our name, we used to win all the time
So being an old, formerly bold, wimp is okay with me!
BTW, Roland, Canada has some brand-new (okay, new-to-us) submarines:))))
Now, if we could only get them to actually work, we'd be in good shape (apparently they are good at submerging, but find that surfacing is more problematic)
Finally, Roland, we have a truce!!! Remember?
#11
Posted 2005-October-19, 10:56
mikeh, on Oct 19 2005, 11:53 AM, said:
I was also once a member of an imp team, in our local imp league, called 'The Wimps'. Despite (or because) of our name, we used to win all the time
So being an old, formerly bold, wimp is okay with me!
BTW, Roland, Canada has some brand-new (okay, new-to-us) submarines:))))
Now, if we could only get them to actually work, we'd be in good shape (apparently they are good at submerging, but find that surfacing is more problematic)
Finally, Roland, we have a truce!!! Remember?
ROFLMAO!
#12
Posted 2005-October-19, 11:02
mikeh, on Oct 19 2005, 06:53 PM, said:
Yes, as long as you behave. You may be the second largest country in the world, and we may be #137, but it won't help you. Danish dynamite will prevail! I will call the Queen in a minute and ask her to send yet another vessel to our beloved island, Hans Ø .... just in case you get ideas!
Roland
#13
Posted 2005-October-19, 11:09
Walddk, on Oct 19 2005, 12:02 PM, said:
mikeh, on Oct 19 2005, 06:53 PM, said:
Yes, as long as you behave. You may be the second largest country in the world, and we may be #137, but it won't help you. Danish dynamite will prevail! I will call the Queen in a minute and ask her to send yet another vessel to our beloved island, Hans Ø .... just in case you get ideas!
Roland
#137??? Delusions of grandeur! I suspect that you are counting Hans 0 (I lack the keyboard to make that nice little symbol) as part of your territory. Subtract that, as you should, and Denmark plummets to #138!
And wasn't it Sweden that perfected dynamite? Your Danish copy doesn't intimidate us at all!
#14
Posted 2005-October-19, 11:33
(Otherwise, I will bid 4♠ too, but with less conviction.)
#15
Posted 2005-October-19, 12:04
#16
Posted 2005-October-19, 12:33
After all, 4H is a transfer to 4S, and I hate to pass my opponents' transfers.
- hrothgar
#17
Posted 2005-October-19, 13:00
#18
Posted 2005-October-19, 13:45
Winstonm, on Oct 19 2005, 03:57 PM, said:
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| Auction: W N E S P P 4♥ ? Now what? Rate the percentages of these actions. Pass. Good result: %? 4S: Good result: % Other: Good result: % |
This is a close decision. Gotta know your opps' style before taking the action. If you are in totally dark, it's fine to pass in my opinion. Sometimes, they don't double you if you bid 4S, they just see you go down 4 quietly when you have some play in 5C. 4H doesn't have to be made and 4S also need a great hand from a passed partner to have a good play.
I may bid 4S only when I know that RHO is a deciplined preempter, and even in that case, 4S can probably win a tiny amount of imps in a long run, and the fluctuation is huge.
Generally, you want to kill their hearts with spades, but facing a passed partner and red vs white, it's really not clear.
#19
Posted 2005-October-19, 14:32
#20
Posted 2005-October-19, 21:25
cherdano, on Oct 19 2005, 12:33 PM, said:
Makes sense to me but........
If I ask my lho about his nationality at this point in the bidding, will this result in UI as my P will now know that to bid versus to pass is a consideration?

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Auction:
W N E S
P P 4♥ ?
Now what? Rate the percentages of these actions.
Pass. Good result: %?
4S: Good result: %
Other: Good result: %