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#1 User is offline   Rebound 

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Posted 2005-October-11, 18:48

You pick up :

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and pass in 1st seat. LHO bids 1♥, partner overcalls 1NT, and RHO bids 2♥.
This is at IMPs, favourable vulnerability, with a pickup partner with no profile. What do you do?

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Posted 2005-October-11, 18:56

well if i was goona bid i would bid something in the minors at the game level so maybe starting off 4♥ and correcting 4♠ to 5♣ if i was gonna bid, heck even 3nt could be right :P
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Posted 2005-October-11, 19:00

Pass. I assume he'll take a bid as forcing, and lebensohl can't be assumed so I just go quietly. At least it won't be a disaster.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 19:12

I would use 2NT leb then pass 3♣
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Posted 2005-October-11, 19:13

Fluffy, on Oct 11 2005, 08:12 PM, said:

I would use 2NT leb then pass 3♣

Great, I hope the p/u partner is on the same wavelength. For sure you have not discussed this.

I bid pass for now.
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  Posted 2005-October-11, 19:14

I'll bid 2NT and see what happens.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 03:19

Hi,

Pass, as other have said, go quietly.

Partner may take 2 NT as lebensohl,
but do you know, which flavour he is playing,
... and this already assumes, he is playing it,
there is natural out there, and rubensohl and
what ever...

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Posted 2005-October-12, 03:27

I will also pass.

2NT seems dangerous.

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Posted 2005-October-12, 03:59

Can't see how Lebensohl applies in this auction. 2NT is for the minors, but I would be reluctant to do that opposite a pick-up partner from the United Nations. He may think it's natural (competitive).

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Posted 2005-October-12, 04:46

2NT, partner will bid 3♣ and we pass it.

Certainly, it all based on the partner agreement.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 04:51

Walddk, on Oct 12 2005, 10:59 AM, said:

Can't see how Lebensohl applies in this auction.

I can't see why it wouldn't apply in this auction :)
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Posted 2005-October-12, 05:02

MickyB, on Oct 12 2005, 12:51 PM, said:

Walddk, on Oct 12 2005, 10:59 AM, said:

Can't see how Lebensohl applies in this auction.

I can't see why it wouldn't apply in this auction :)

Because it's more important to get to the right contract. How do you know, if partner must bid 3♣ and you are 5-5 in the minors?

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Posted 2005-October-12, 05:03

You don't. But the same applies after 1N (2H) when you are 5-5 in the minors.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 10:36

I pass, with nothing discussed it can only lead to trouble.

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Posted 2005-October-12, 13:03

If you pass, its conceivable that you might be able to bid either 2N or 3N to show the minors.

Systems on over NT overcalls, including lebensohl. It would be nice if 2N showed the minors but I don't know anyone that plays this.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 13:26

I would pass and then ask, after the hand, do we play lebensohl? That way the answer is not expensive as it might be if the answer were 'no' and I had found out by bidding :D .

As for Roland's point about lebensohl: it is true that lebensohl here is not as good a method as it is after a 1N opening bid. However, most play it (in my experience and as suggested by the posts) because it is simple. BTW, i prefer rubensohl or trnasfer lebensohl (not quite the same thing) as they are more felxible than lebensohl.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 14:36

Thanks for your replies. I have, more or less, been shown the error of my ways lol :-)
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Posted 2005-October-12, 15:06

I'd try to play in ♣ at the lowest level possible. So 2NT with most players ;)
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Posted 2005-October-15, 05:37

Walddk, on Oct 12 2005, 01:02 PM, said:

MickyB, on Oct 12 2005, 12:51 PM, said:

Walddk, on Oct 12 2005, 10:59 AM, said:

Can't see how Lebensohl applies in this auction.

I can't see why it wouldn't apply in this auction :D

Because it's more important to get to the right contract. How do you know, if partner must bid 3♣ and you are 5-5 in the minors?

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You don't. But the same applies after 1N (2H) when you are 5-5 in the minors.


Interesting...
I play Lebensohl (....Rumpelsohl in fact) after 1N (2X). Do you advise not to play it after?:
(1X)-1NT-(2X)
(1X)-1NT-(2Y)
Remark: I did not discuss this with my partner, but would assume it is still on.
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