[badderzboy]

You hold

Scoring: MP

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and open 1♣, partner bids 1♦ and RHO bids 1♠...

What do u do next?

We were playing acol but doesnt this apply to SAYC too?

Steve

[joker_gib]

Clearcut dbl but I'd would have opened 1♦

So what do I have to vote ?

Alain

[zasanya]

dbl and then bid appropriate number of ♦

[zasanya]

if P does not bid ♥

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

if I recall it correctly, the proper opening
bid in Acol is 1D.

The reason: If Partner responds 1S, you dont
have a decent rebid, with the actual hand you
could bid 1NT, but take away the Ace of hearts
and you see what I mean

I voted for other, intending to bid 3S, on reflection
I think 3D is better.
It gets the fit across and the power, and you still have
the chance to play NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: An open issue is, how likely is it, that partner
holds 4hearts, ... do you bid diamond for heart,
when you are 4-4?

[joker_gib]

Well, I don't know about Acol but in general, partner can still have 4♥ if he's strong enough.

Alain

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I know, the following is another minority view, but dbl
may also be a support double in the actual situation,
at least it fits the general definition of a support,
... if you play dbl as neg., i.e. you explicitly agreed,
that dbl shows hearts, thats fine, probably even superior,
... but personnaly I dont like exceptions.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Gerben42]

Quote

The reason: If Partner responds 1S, you dont
have a decent rebid, with the actual hand you
could bid 1NT

No you couldn't, not with that distribution, which is why you open 1♦

At this point I am happy and bid 2♠: ♦ Fit and strong.

[helene_t]

According to the EBU homepage this is a 1♦ opening, just as in SAYC and Biedermeijer. Some acolists open 1♥ (I think Henderson's book recomends that) but 1♣ is strange.

If we play Walsh I would splinter 3♠ but in Acol I think responder can bid diamonds before a major with something like 8/9 HCPs, which means that dbl showing hearts would be convenient. But with 15-16 balanced without a spade guard you would like to double as well.

[whereagles]

If pard bids 1♦ with 44 reds, double and follow-up with 3♦.

If pard bids 1♦ with 44 reds only if strong, bid a direct 3♦. In this case, if pard has hearts it will follow:

1♣ 1♦ (1♠)
3♦ 3♥
4♥

[joker_gib]

whereagles, on Oct 11 2005, 11:37 AM, said:

In this case, if pard has hearts it will follow:

1♣ 1♦ (1♠)
3♦ 3♥
4♥

Your 3♥ bid there can be less than 4 cards in search of the 3NT contract !?

Alain

[whereagles]

So what if pard has 3 cards? In that case he doesn't have spade stops, so 4♥ or 5♦ is a better contract.

[P_Marlowe]

joker_gib, on Oct 11 2005, 04:40 AM, said:

whereagles, on Oct 11 2005, 11:37 AM, said:

In this case, if pard has hearts it will follow:

1♣ 1♦ (1♠)
3♦ 3♥
4♥

Your 3♥ bid there can be less than 4 cards in search of the 3NT contract !?

Alain

Of course it could also be a cue bid, in which
case we missed the chance to show our spade
control.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: If you bid 3D, you loose the chance to play in
hearts, thats a price I am willing to pay, but not everyone
will agree.

[Blofeld]

I'm supporting diamonds, but I rather like my hand, so I'll do it with 2♠ rather than 3♦.

[MickyB]

Does 2S really promise support on this auction? Usually that is in a situation where 3D would be preemptive, but that doesn't make much sense on this auction. Of course, that isn't to say it is the wrong call...

I think a 1D opener is best, particularly if pard would bid 1D with 4-4 in the reds - if you raise you'll lose the hearts, if you bid hearts pard will never place you with 4 diamonds.

[Blofeld]

I'm an idiot and forgot that there's a 2♦ call available. So I think I go with 3♦.

But at any rate I want to show my support now.