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White vs Red at Imps, you hold: x AKQxx KQJxx xx.
1S P 1N* ?
* forcing
You've agreed to play 2-suited bids as weak/strong and also that 3C is pass/correct, and 2NT asks for your minor in addition to your strength (for the weak type: 3C/D with a min weak hand, 3H/S with a max weak hand, corresponding minor).
Comment on the above treatment and whether you prefer 3C natural and 2NT just simply asking for your minor as well. Also comment if you think your choice of bids (or preferred treatments) would be different in this seat than in the direct seat over 1S.
Andy
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What's your plan with this 5-5? How good is it?
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Posted 2005-October-11, 09:42
I would start with 2S, I certainly have a "good" michaels. I would bid 4H over 3H and 4D over 3C (so other).
3C p/c makes sense after no club preempt or overcall.
In direct seat I'd play the same methods but there's more of an argument for 3C natural.
3C p/c makes sense after no club preempt or overcall.
In direct seat I'd play the same methods but there's more of an argument for 3C natural.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:19
I like to add that 2N by partner followed by 3♥ correction of your 3♦ bid shows some values in ♥: a hand that would accept a game try by a good michaels.
That allows 3♥ to be bid with no suggestion of values: say xxxx xxxx xx xxx could bid 3♥. Kxx Jxx xx Axxxx would bid 2N then 3♥.
Thus I would bid 2♠ and respect a 3♥ signoff but move to game if he used the 2-step to 3♥.
If not playing this method, I would force to game over 3♥: there is too much chance that partner will not have been aboe to evaluate accurately for me to risk playing 3♥.
That allows 3♥ to be bid with no suggestion of values: say xxxx xxxx xx xxx could bid 3♥. Kxx Jxx xx Axxxx would bid 2N then 3♥.
Thus I would bid 2♠ and respect a 3♥ signoff but move to game if he used the 2-step to 3♥.
If not playing this method, I would force to game over 3♥: there is too much chance that partner will not have been aboe to evaluate accurately for me to risk playing 3♥.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:25
2♠ michaels, followed by something to show my strong handtype.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 19:29
I am gonna bid game by myself, ,starting with michaels
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Posted 2005-October-11, 23:47
mikeh, on Oct 11 2005, 04:19 PM, said:
I like to add that 2N by partner followed by 3♥ correction of your 3♦ bid shows some values in ♥: a hand that would accept a game try by a good michaels.
That allows 3♥ to be bid with no suggestion of values: say xxxx xxxx xx xxx could bid 3♥. Kxx Jxx xx Axxxx would bid 2N then 3♥.
Thus I would bid 2♠ and respect a 3♥ signoff but move to game if he used the 2-step to 3♥.
If not playing this method, I would force to game over 3♥: there is too much chance that partner will not have been aboe to evaluate accurately for me to risk playing 3♥.
That allows 3♥ to be bid with no suggestion of values: say xxxx xxxx xx xxx could bid 3♥. Kxx Jxx xx Axxxx would bid 2N then 3♥.
Thus I would bid 2♠ and respect a 3♥ signoff but move to game if he used the 2-step to 3♥.
If not playing this method, I would force to game over 3♥: there is too much chance that partner will not have been aboe to evaluate accurately for me to risk playing 3♥.
I don't understand your method. [I assume you play this with a 2NT bid just asking for the minor (ie not my 3C pass/correct, 2NT game try opposite weak hand treatment I described above).] The strong hand can't just bid 3m over 2NT, then, as partner may pass with lots of decent hands, right?
Maybe I've just figured it out: do you use 3C pass/correct as well, so that you only bid 2NT with:
[1] a minor suit signoff opposite big hands that aren't quite GF, which will then pass 3m (ie worse than a 3C p/c bid)
[2] a good 3H bid
[3] a hand that will continue after 3m (ie fairly strong, as partner may have the weak variety)
so that the "strong" hands are safe bidding 3m (unless they really are completely GF) knowing they'll only be left there by really bad hands?
Andy
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Posted 2005-October-11, 23:59
FWIW I like to play 3D in this sequence as a good heart raise.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 00:35
Bidding, whether constructive or destructive, is much more effective when the the two suits are known.
For that reason, I'd use 2N in this sequence for minors and 2S a Michael's. Not that the Michael's shows both suits but this allows 2N definition.
With this hand I'd bid 2S, which in itself shows a fairly powerful hand as I've committed our side to the 3-level with no known fit. I'd pass any non game bid by partner.
Winston
For that reason, I'd use 2N in this sequence for minors and 2S a Michael's. Not that the Michael's shows both suits but this allows 2N definition.
With this hand I'd bid 2S, which in itself shows a fairly powerful hand as I've committed our side to the 3-level with no known fit. I'd pass any non game bid by partner.
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