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AT AKxx AKxxx Jx 1d-(1s)-x-(2s)-???

Poll: What do you bid after hearing 1[di]-(1[sp])-x-(3[sp]) (27 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid after hearing 1[di]-(1[sp])-x-(3[sp])

  1. DBL (meaning...?) (4 votes [14.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

  2. 4[he] (19 votes [70.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.37%

  3. 4[sp] (3 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. 4NT (meaning...?) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. other (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

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#1 User is offline   Elianna 

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Posted 2005-October-06, 20:36

Your hand is
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Again, bidding is 1♦-(1♠)-x-(3♠) -???

While the scoring is unknown (you're not keeping score, playing at the local college club) you like pretending it's MP's (feel free to comment what you'd do at IMPs, btw).

All bidding is fairly standard.
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Posted 2005-October-06, 21:43

4H shows what you have. I would trust pd to investigate slam if he has significant extras.

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Posted 2005-October-06, 23:05

4♥

A very good hand, and 4♥ might end the auction when slam is good. But anything else is a huge overbid... more of an overbid than 4♥ is an underbid.

Give me 3=4=5=1 or 1=4=5=3 same cards and I'd have a different problem and maybe a different answer.

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Posted 2005-October-07, 00:31

If play with random PD, I will bid 4H and satisfy with a positive score.

If with regular PD, I will bid double. It reserves all options:

1) PD may bid 4H, with 2 ♠ cards he knows my double was optional and we well fit in ♥.
2) PD may bid minors on 4 level (provided opps do not deepen their preemptive), as a slam try (maybe ♥ or ♦ trump)
3) PD has no slam interests but nice defence power, we will be glad to obtain +500 or +800 by beating 3♠ by 3 or 4.

My ♠Ax really does not encourage for slam.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 01:21

Good preempt but with 5-4-2-2 (btw very good hand), I bid 4♥

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Posted 2005-October-07, 02:13

I will bid always dbl and i can have:

1) rever with 4♥
2) balanced strong and haven't stop in ♠


I will bid 4 ♥ only when i have a hand with max 14 points. If i bid 4♥ we will loose slam in 70%...


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  Posted 2005-October-07, 06:02

The bidding given in the topic is:
1♦ (1♠) X (2♠) ?

but the bidding given in the first post is:
1♦ (1♠) X (3♠) ?

Which is correct?
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Posted 2005-October-07, 07:24

other. 5H. Showing too much to bid 4H (yes I'm a simpleton). Usually 5 of a major asks for something specific, but when you have exactly 2 ways to show the suit and no cuebid below 4M then 5H is just quant. Another example of this would be (3S)-5H.

Anyways...for those of you who say 4H shows this hand, I really don't agree. Under pressure you could bid 4H on a wide range of hands including things like x AKxx AQxxx xxx etc. For those of you who wouldn't there are a lot of min neg Xs that make game opposite that that won't reopen, especially since partner will have some spade length.

Of course there is not 5 level safety and 4H could be par on the deal. I am also an advocate of not making crappy negative Xs, especially over 1S.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 09:27

I bid 4♥ and double 4♠. I don't believe a slam is possible.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 11:20

The way I play, I'm not overly heavy for 4♥, as I will not take the push to 4♥ with minimum hands holding 4♥'s.

The AT of spades is a big negative. The 5 level isn't safe. Do we want to punish pard for making a neg double on a hand like: xx, Qxxx, xxx, KQxx?

Give me Axx of spades and I take a more optimistic view here.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 17:45

Double, take out, althou this shows normally just strong hand.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 19:46

4♥

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