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The odds of having a ten card suit are over 60,000 to 1. The odds of having two voids are over 10,000 to 1. I had both last night - in the same hand . This is what I picked up:

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Partner is dealer and opens 1♦ then pass to me. What do you bid?

[Jurek S]

4♠ and prepared to be -1

[FrancesHinden]

... but the chance of a double void given that you have a 10-card suit is over 9%

[G_R__E_G]

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... but the chance of a double void given that you have a 10-card suit is over 9%

LOL, I knew someone would bring that up. I realize that, but the way I worded it is more fun.

[Gerben42]

1♠, no one is forcing me to guess the final contract at this point.

About writing down statistics like this, it should be forbidden in commercials.

[joker_gib]

1♠, why preempt partner ?

I have the boss suit and can come to 4♠ later.

Alain

[Walddk]

1♠. Hope it's not an overbid.

Roland

[pigpenz]

Jlall, on Oct 6 2005, 09:26 AM, said:

1S and see what happens.

justin im suprsised you didnt take the terrence reese outlook and pass and see what happens.

[Trpltrbl]

1♠, but in a rubber bridge game I might just pass.

GBB

[P_Marlowe]

1S intending to bid 4S, what else?

A direct 4S bid is probably to play,
but who knows, especially playing with
a pickup, go easy.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

With this hand I'll try walking the dog: bid 1♠, followed by outbidding opps in spades everytime it comes back to you.

With a bit of luck I'll get doubled in something like 3, 4 or 5♠ and make.

[HeartA]

1S and then 4S.

[EricK]

FrancesHinden, on Oct 6 2005, 01:07 PM, said:

... but the chance of a double void given that you have a 10-card suit is over 9%

But what is the chance of a ten card suit given that you have two voids?

[Blofeld]

Around 0.8%, I think.

[MarceldB]

EricK, on Oct 6 2005, 07:11 PM, said:

But what is the chance of a ten card suit given that you have two voids?

1,5213%

[Blofeld]

Oops. Missed a factor of two.

Marceld is right, of course.

[MarceldB]

Blofeld, on Oct 6 2005, 07:38 PM, said:

Oops. Missed a factor of two.

Marceld is right, of course.

It was easy for me. I have made in the past a little prog in Filemaker on occasion of designing a relay system in which ALL shapes were included. Enable me to see which shapes are more common in a certain set.

Just for your info/fun:
this 10=3=0=0 shape, known with the 4♥ bid and 5-7/8 points and HCP concentrated in the 10 card (no A+K). In a earlier stage s/v ♦ (1NT bid), and Main suit ♠ with the 2♦ bid.

[Trpltrbl]

Jlall, on Oct 6 2005, 09:52 AM, said:

What is the advantage of passing? To eliminate all chance of a constructive auction? If I concede it is unlikely to go all pass (which I do, but not as unlikely as you think. With a 0445 LHO will probably wonder where the spades are, and like his prospects on defense against diamonds) then what are you gaining from the pass?

The advantage of passing in rubberbridge game, is that it very rarely if maybe never gets passed out.
In rubberbridge there is some trickery allowed, more so then in regular bridge.
Kinda like playing MP's where you might decided to play 3NT with a 4-4 major suit fit.
Gamble a little to get a better score, or in this case, more money.
But then again I was playing rubberbridge for a living ( college living that is )before you were born, so you might have to stick around a little

GBB