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4S over 4H?

#21 User is online   mike777 

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Posted 2005-October-05, 15:19

Hannie, on Oct 5 2005, 01:48 PM, said:

Yesterday I had:

Dealer: South
Vul: Both
Scoring: IMP
Axxxx
xx
Kxxxx
x
 


Bidding goes:

p-(1H)-p-(1NT)
p-(2C)-p-(2H)
2S-(3C)-3S-(4H)
??

Do you agree with my initial two passes and the 2S bid?

Do you bid 4S?

(I may have had some pointed 10, and it is possible that they were not vulnerable. I will look it up later. Feel free to comment if this changes your bidding. You know from a previous hand that the opponents are playing constructive raises. Sadly such negative inferences are rarely alerted.)

Prefer 2h at my second bid, in early and out early.



As a side note thinking of Bridge Constants had me wondering if there are any Physicists out there who know anything about these two Los Alamos guys who think the physics constant "alpha" has decreased?

If so this means that the speed of light has increased over time.

No wonder I cannot make my bridge more consistent.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 15:30

junyi_zhu, on Oct 5 2005, 03:59 PM, said:

The second pass is bad and a common mistake by many players I think.

Sigh.

Junyi_zhu, I think that bridge is more difficult than you make it appear. I would enjoy your posts better if it was clear that you were stating your opinion instead of the truth.


P_Marlowe, I agree that 3D has to be a fit-bid (I think that whether we have discussed fit-bids or not is irrelevant, it clearly is). What do you expect partner has? In particular, how many spades and how many (and which) diamonds? Is it now obvious to bid 4S over 4H?

I am asking this because my partner decided not to bid 3D. Ben suggests that I kick him for this but not only is this practically impossible, I doubt that I would have found the fit-bid myself. So I'm wondering, what can we expect for a fit bid? When we have decided what kind of hands we should bid 3D with then I'll post partner's actual hand and we can all give him a virtual kick if necessary.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-October-05, 15:47

length/strength in diamonds and spades for a 3D bid. Most values in those suits, at least 3S, at least 4D. That is probably vague, but I'm not much for rules.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 16:52

Pd has something like


GBB :)
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Posted 2005-October-05, 16:57

To state the obvious: for the 3 bid partner will have a hand that is unsure whether to bid 4, and encourages you to do so if you have length/strength in diamonds.

As Justin said, I would expect most of the values in spades and diamonds, but I would expect around 8 cards in the two suits. I don't think he should do it on a diamond suit like Axxx, as it's offensive value does not depend as much on a fit like, say, QJxx.

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Posted 2005-October-05, 18:07

This was partner's hand:

Scoring: IMPs


Those who think that 3D is obvious can give him a kick. I don't.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-October-05, 18:20

Trpltrbl, on Oct 6 2005, 12:52 AM, said:

Pd has something like


GBB :lol:

Isn't this an automatic 4 bid opposite the 2 overcall in a live auction?
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Posted 2005-October-05, 18:45

cherdano, on Oct 5 2005, 07:20 PM, said:

Trpltrbl, on Oct 6 2005, 12:52 AM, said:

Pd has something like
Dealer: ?????
Vul: ????
Scoring: Unknown
Kxxx
x
AJxxx
xxx
 


GBB  :lol:

Isn't this an automatic 4 bid opposite the 2 overcall in a live auction?
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GEEZ if 4s is automatic..this is a tough game, I think this is just a very hard hand.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 20:56

4

PARTNER can't bid 3H,his hand <13HCP;can't bid 3d = less than 1 honor.
your hand <10p and partner can raise it to 3s, it encourage to 4. i think his =singleton and 4cards .
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Posted 2005-October-06, 04:22

luis, on Oct 5 2005, 08:48 PM, said:

Pd has other ways to invite. A raise is always just competitive.

I meant invite to a sacrifice, not to make.
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Posted 2005-October-06, 05:57

cherdano, on Oct 5 2005, 07:20 PM, said:

Welcome back, Mike.

TY :blink:
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