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#1 User is offline   hrothgar 

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Posted 2003-September-16, 09:52

Here is a hand from yesterday's individual which swung a lot of IMPs.

You have no knowledge about partner or his bidding tendencies, though everyone in the tournmament is pretty good. Furthermore, you are (in theory) playing "BBO Advanced"

You hold

T863
K7
76
AKQ87

The bidding starts

1C - 1H
1S - 4D
5S - 6D
???

After partner's 4D splinter, I decided that I had a pretty good hand.
The King of Hearts looked golden, as did AKQxx in clubs.

I decided to jump to 5S, asking partner to bid 6 with good trump.
THEN partner goes and bids 6D.

Any thoughts?
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Posted 2003-September-16, 10:04

Good spades and a diamond void.....strange, but can happen.
I have a very easy 6h bid now.
Btw: I really really don't like 5s, 4nt asking for keycards can do the same job. If pd has 2 we play 5 spades. If he has 3 we can ask for the spade queen and still play 5 spades if we are missing one keycard and the spade queen.

5s is probably going to make us play 6s down 1 if pd has something like
KQJx, AQJxx, x, xxx
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Posted 2003-September-16, 10:24

I can see it now, you pressed on to grand slam off a quick trick in spades? Maybe more? In an individual where people lack the mechanism to reach small slams much less grand slams? Over 6D just bid 6S and be happy if it makes.

It sounds like your partner is well heeled in spades, but afterall, with KQxx I would accept. When you bid 5S, you might be off the diamond ACE and the spade ACE, and maybe another spade to boot if the spade ACE is behind the KQ. So be happy with 6S... You simply don't have the tickets to blindly guess 6 or 7S over 6D (and if partner has Diamonds, good thing you get to move after this hand or the next). Nor would a cue-bid of 6Hearts to show your heart honor help, as it doesn't solve any problem associated with a sure spade loser. If I am looking at S-KQxx H-AQJT9x D-void C-Jxx and here you cue-bid the heart King, I bid 7S in a flash. I bet the opponent holding the SPADE ACE can probably find the double.

Now, if you need LOTS of imps on this hand late in the event, maybe you should push for the grand slam, but the sane way seems to be to bid 4NT, as Luis suggested.

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Posted 2003-September-16, 10:32

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...everyone in the tournmament is pretty good.
...(cut)...
Any thoughts?


4 played the board : 2 called 4S (+2), one called 5S (+1).

6S was enough to win.
7S-1 was (about) 50%

Erkson

PS : 1C 1H
1S 4D
5S 6S (I like the 5S)
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Posted 2003-September-16, 16:56

Hi Richard!
For me splinter is limited bid, so I will not search for grand. Main priblem in my opinion is probably bad SP suit and possible makeable slam in CL, because we can discard SP over HE. My bid at table will be 6CL as posiible slam with bad SP, despite more science will be to ask before with 4NT like Luis.
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Posted 2003-September-18, 07:01

I held that hand during the individual. my pard splintered and i q bid 4h. My pard signed off in 4s. That was high enough for me. when i asked my pard what we could have done differently i was told i should have bid blackwood over 4S. Frankly i cant imagine asking for aces missing 3 aces and having bad spades. pard held

AQJx ATxxx A xxx surely after a 4h q bid rkb should be employed. Doesnt the q bid indicate slam interest?

Note: it has also been my experience that the person with the singleton can utilize the responses to rkc much better than the person with the balanced hand.

Well maybe some of the players were'nt all that good:))
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