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How to bid? How would you evaluate this hand?

#1 User is offline   bridgeboy 

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Posted 2005-October-01, 07:22

Imps.. Playing with an "expert" pickup p: Std Stayman/Gerber/etc

You hold:

Kxx
Kx
JTxxx
Axx

partner opens 2NT (20-22?) How would you bid?

Thanks all
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Posted 2005-October-01, 07:23

I'd bid 6N

I'd be more worried about missing 7 than overbidding
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Posted 2005-October-01, 08:09

hrothgar, on Oct 1 2005, 08:23 AM, said:

I'd bid 6N

I'd be more worried about missing 7 than overbidding

ditto
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Posted 2005-October-01, 08:45

Let's give partner ♠AQx♥AQxx♦AKxx♣Kx which is a perfect maximum--you have three spades, three hearts, five or six diamonds, and two clubs. You are laydown for 6 and 7 depends on dropping the queen of diamonds (about 52%).

Now put a small diamond eslewhere and the grand well is below 50% (you need Qx or Qxx on side) but 6 is still virtually laydown (5-0 diamonds beat it).


Now also remove one ot the queen and six is in considerable jeopary.

Now if partner has ♠Qxx♥AQxx♦AKx♣KQx and 6 is down more often than not. Now consider the hansd where we are off two aces or ♦AK . . .

Lacking more sophistcated slam tools, I would try 4NT natural and invitational. If we needed a swing and I wanrted to shoot on this hand, I'd pass and hope the field is going down in slam.
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Posted 2005-October-01, 09:56

I'll drive it to slam, but I'll go through 4C first. Immediately bidding 6N seems lazy as we can be off 2 aces.
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Posted 2005-October-01, 10:20

Jlall, on Oct 1 2005, 05:56 PM, said:

I'll drive it to slam, but I'll go through 4C first. Immediately bidding 6N seems lazy as we can be off 2 aces.

Is that a quantitaive (or better) NT raise with a 5-card minor and no 4-card major? Then I agree. I can't imagine that it can be anything else with this hand.

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Posted 2005-October-01, 10:22

bridgeboy, on Oct 1 2005, 08:22 AM, said:

Imps.. Playing with an "expert" pickup p: Std Stayman/Gerber/etc

that should help.
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Posted 2005-October-01, 10:24

Jlall, on Oct 1 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

bridgeboy, on Oct 1 2005, 08:22 AM, said:

Imps.. Playing with an "expert" pickup p: Std Stayman/Gerber/etc

that should help.

Yes, I was wondering what that word meant. Whatever it means, does it guarantee 12 tricks at NT?

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Posted 2005-October-01, 10:28

As I said Roland I am CHOOSING to drive to slam anyways. I am the same as the bundle of 2N-6N bidders. I am just CHECKING that we are not off 2 aces. Despite your (and my) lack of love for this convention, if we're playing it and you choose to drive to slam, you might as well use it if you can be off 2 aces.
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  Posted 2005-October-01, 10:47

Only possibly disadvantage is a lead-directing double.
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Posted 2005-October-01, 10:56

My experience of Gerber on this sort of auction is that if it goes 2NT:4♣,4♥ it's more likely that opener has forgotten the responses than that you're missing two aces.
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Posted 2005-October-01, 10:58

That's what I call partnership trust <_<
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