My gut reaction was that they had a spade game and I quickly bid 4♦. Was this nuts?
Page 1 of 1
was I crazy pulled partners preempt to my own
#1
Posted 2005-September-29, 16:17
My gut reaction was that they had a spade game and I quickly bid 4♦. Was this nuts?
#2 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-29, 16:20
if 4D is really natural and non forcing I guess it's ok. I would have bid 3D (forcing) because 4D is artificial for me.
#3
Posted 2005-September-29, 16:42
For me, 4♦ is keycard in ♣ (and for you, Justin, as well, I bet)
So the choices are pass, 3♦, 3♥, or (wait for it) 4♣
3♦ is forcing but not guaranteed to prevent 3♠ on your left.
What might be worse is that partner is entitled to play you for values and therefore make calls that you don't want to hear... including double of 4♠. I would not worry much on that topic, but it is wrong to think that partner is barred after preempting.
3♦ is also unlikely to get a useful response, so that the opps may get a fielder's choice: imagine RHO doubling partner's 4♣ bid, for example.
3♥ is slightly better, in terms of partner's response, since he may raise you to game. If undoubled, this might be a good score.
Pass seems the most logical call, since it comes closest to describing your values
I would run to 3♦ if LHO doubled and RHO sat for it.
4♣ might be the best psyche
But I would not do it: I am at least 25 years too old for it.
BTW, I see no reason to assume that the opps are cold for anything at the game level, other than (perhaps) 3N.
So the choices are pass, 3♦, 3♥, or (wait for it) 4♣
3♦ is forcing but not guaranteed to prevent 3♠ on your left.
What might be worse is that partner is entitled to play you for values and therefore make calls that you don't want to hear... including double of 4♠. I would not worry much on that topic, but it is wrong to think that partner is barred after preempting.
3♦ is also unlikely to get a useful response, so that the opps may get a fielder's choice: imagine RHO doubling partner's 4♣ bid, for example.
3♥ is slightly better, in terms of partner's response, since he may raise you to game. If undoubled, this might be a good score.
Pass seems the most logical call, since it comes closest to describing your values
I would run to 3♦ if LHO doubled and RHO sat for it.
4♣ might be the best psyche
BTW, I see no reason to assume that the opps are cold for anything at the game level, other than (perhaps) 3N.
'one of the great markers of the advance of human kindness is the howls you will hear from the Men of God' Johann Hari
#4 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-29, 17:01
4C dude, i like it. If lho bid 4S its even a lead direct. You rock. I seriously change my vote to 4C. That bid is awesome.
#5 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-29, 17:06
btw i agree that 3D is not likely to get you a useful response, however I think if it does get you a raise thats the most favorable bid possible (of any bid). If 3H gets raised by say Qx, or xxx and you get tapped it could be pretty bad. A diamond save however would be quite nice, and there's not too much risk involved. I still like 4C though, it's really a creative bid.
#7
Posted 2005-September-29, 17:16
Love 4♣. But I'd never think of it at the table.
[3SP] is a possibility, but I can see bad things happening after this, as partner keeps on putting you back into spades. I might try 3N, though ... nowhere near as good as 4♣, but ...
[3SP] is a possibility, but I can see bad things happening after this, as partner keeps on putting you back into spades. I might try 3N, though ... nowhere near as good as 4♣, but ...
#8
Posted 2005-September-29, 18:13
Thanks for the responses.
pass - If I had thought for a quarter of second more, I would have
I don't think I like 4♦ as natural and non forcing either but it was handy here.
3♦ seemed pointless and dangerous to me, so I agree with mikeh on that.
3♥ did cross my mind but I figured partner to be strict about having nothing worthwhile outside clubs for his 3♣ call
3♠ scares the willies out of me. I would admire your daring if you were to make the call though
3NT didn't occur to me, but I do like it.
4♣ I considered this and immediately discarded it as it seemed like the kind of wacky thing that I'm prone to do and have come out badly . I am reconsidering though.
I think I'll pass next time, but if that psych itch just had to be scratched I'd go with 4♣
pass - If I had thought for a quarter of second more, I would have
I don't think I like 4♦ as natural and non forcing either but it was handy here.
3♦ seemed pointless and dangerous to me, so I agree with mikeh on that.
3♥ did cross my mind but I figured partner to be strict about having nothing worthwhile outside clubs for his 3♣ call
3♠ scares the willies out of me. I would admire your daring if you were to make the call though
3NT didn't occur to me, but I do like it.
4♣ I considered this and immediately discarded it as it seemed like the kind of wacky thing that I'm prone to do and have come out badly . I am reconsidering though.
I think I'll pass next time, but if that psych itch just had to be scratched I'd go with 4♣
#10
Posted 2005-September-29, 23:59
It seems obvious we don't wanna play ♥ at all, so I guess it all comes down to if we wanna suggest to play 5♦, bid 5♦ or help ourselves against 4♠.I also like the 4♣ idea.
#11
Posted 2005-September-30, 01:08
Hi,
pass.
4D wont stop them bidding game,
if they have it on and are able to bid
it.
One of them already passed, i.e. you
have a lot of strength in hearts and
diamonds => the chances are greater
that your partner will be able to play 3C.
The argument: "But they were cold for 4S"
after one went for a number is silly most of
the time, sometimes the cards lay so, that
each opponent has a hard time to enter the
bidding.
With kind regards
Marlowe
pass.
4D wont stop them bidding game,
if they have it on and are able to bid
it.
One of them already passed, i.e. you
have a lot of strength in hearts and
diamonds => the chances are greater
that your partner will be able to play 3C.
The argument: "But they were cold for 4S"
after one went for a number is silly most of
the time, sometimes the cards lay so, that
each opponent has a hard time to enter the
bidding.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Page 1 of 1

Help

partner dealt and opened 3♣ passed to me