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- 1♠ 4NT 6♠
7♣ 7♠ Pass Pass
Pass
4nt alerted as super unusual
was 6 spades to pushy
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will I ever learn opinions about 6 spade bid please
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Posted 2005-September-19, 19:22
West North East South
- 1♠ 4NT 6♠
7♣ 7♠ Pass Pass
Pass
4nt alerted as super unusual
was 6 spades to pushy
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Posted 2005-September-19, 19:25
4333 with all of your points in the minors, I don't think I would bid 5S. I would just X 4N hoping to penalize them then X 5 of anything. If partner opened 1S and RHO passed, would you force to slam? I doubt you'd even force to game. The 4N bid should not push you into slam, in fact in should make you downgrade your minor suit values.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 20:18
I like the X - what's your hurry? Show some values. lots of defense and let pard judge his/her hand further. Sawing off 5 clubs could be worth 1400.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 20:25
Aha, I recognize this hand!
The bidding at our table was much more tame:
1S-"P"-1NT (forcing)-P
3H- P - ? what to bid? Some feel that 4D is a cue confirming hearts, some feel that it shows weak diamonds. I looked my "in-and-out" valuation, found most of my high cards to be outside our suits, and bid a tame 4H. Right or wrong, with my easy entry being knocked out early, my P only made 6. Still, gained imps. Plus scores are still good, I guess.
The bidding at our table was much more tame:
1S-"P"-1NT (forcing)-P
3H- P - ? what to bid? Some feel that 4D is a cue confirming hearts, some feel that it shows weak diamonds. I looked my "in-and-out" valuation, found most of my high cards to be outside our suits, and bid a tame 4H. Right or wrong, with my easy entry being knocked out early, my P only made 6. Still, gained imps. Plus scores are still good, I guess.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 20:31
For once I am speechless. 4NT???? 6S???? 7C???? 7S????
Where was this played Wayne, on Mars? The only bid that makes any sense to me at all is the 1S opening.
Where was this played Wayne, on Mars? The only bid that makes any sense to me at all is the 1S opening.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 22:42
7S makes some sense to me too Ron, for the rest I agree with you. Have never seen something like this before.
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Posted 2005-September-19, 23:10
I have to raise my hand (in shame). I made the 4NT bid. To be fair, I didn't mean it too seriously. But it made for great press. 
I think Wayne should double this and slam down the hammer on whatever we bid (unless his partner suggests otherwise). We go for quite a bucket in whatever we play.
Not sure what 7♣ was about. A bit unfortunate for NS as it turned out.
I think Wayne should double this and slam down the hammer on whatever we bid (unless his partner suggests otherwise). We go for quite a bucket in whatever we play.
Not sure what 7♣ was about. A bit unfortunate for NS as it turned out.
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Posted 2005-September-20, 00:57
Hi,
- I understand 1S
- Similar I can understand 4 NT, ... at least the
the colours are right
=> 5D will go down -4, i.e. you trad 800 for 620,
but that is the price you need to be willig to pay
to get away with 300 / 500 on another occassion
About for the rest of auction: ...
Dbl of 4NT is clear cut, south has a hand with lots
of defence against 5C / 5D, so 6S is not pushy ...
it is ...
With kind regards
Marlowe
- I understand 1S
- Similar I can understand 4 NT, ... at least the
the colours are right
=> 5D will go down -4, i.e. you trad 800 for 620,
but that is the price you need to be willig to pay
to get away with 300 / 500 on another occassion
About for the rest of auction: ...
Dbl of 4NT is clear cut, south has a hand with lots
of defence against 5C / 5D, so 6S is not pushy ...
it is ...
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2005-September-20, 01:58
The_Hog, on Sep 19 2005, 09:31 PM, said:
For once I am speechless. 4NT???? 6S???? 7C???? 7S????
Where was this played Wayne, on Mars? The only bid that makes any sense to me at all is the 1S opening.
Where was this played Wayne, on Mars? The only bid that makes any sense to me at all is the 1S opening.
Agree mostly. With white to red, 4NT was OK to me though a little aggressive. And as Hannie pointed out, 7S was reasonable, too.
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Posted 2005-September-21, 22:06
The_Hog, on Sep 19 2005, 09:31 PM, said:
For once I am speechless. 4NT???? 6S???? 7C???? 7S????
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Posted 2005-September-25, 11:23
Why are people saying this 4NT was reasonable? Even at this vulnerability this is just suicide.
6S was equally crazy, you barely have a raise to 3S. 10 of your points are in teh suits promised by your opponents, so you have (for a 6S contract) a working 1 count. Even assuming that RHO has his bid (dubious decision, if RHO is Matt) you need a huge hand to force to the 6 level here, including a lot of shape, and working points. You have neither.
7C, given that he too has a working 1 count, is a bid that wouldn't occur to me either. Especially not if Matt was my partner. I would breath a huge sigh of relief and get the green card out as quickly as possible.
6S was equally crazy, you barely have a raise to 3S. 10 of your points are in teh suits promised by your opponents, so you have (for a 6S contract) a working 1 count. Even assuming that RHO has his bid (dubious decision, if RHO is Matt) you need a huge hand to force to the 6 level here, including a lot of shape, and working points. You have neither.
7C, given that he too has a working 1 count, is a bid that wouldn't occur to me either. Especially not if Matt was my partner. I would breath a huge sigh of relief and get the green card out as quickly as possible.
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