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2-suiters and 2[CL] Strong enough?

Poll: Your opening bid (25 member(s) have cast votes)

Your opening bid

  1. 1 Heart (13 votes [52.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.00%

  2. 1 Spade (1 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  3. 2 Clubs (11 votes [44.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.00%

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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2005-September-25, 11:28

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Posted 2005-September-25, 11:58

1H, easy.

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Posted 2005-September-25, 12:36

1H for me too. It's just gonna get too tough to describe your hand if you open 2C. I'm not really worried about a passout as I think it will happen less than 3% of the time.
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Posted 2005-September-25, 13:02

2C seems fair to me. I don't think there'll be a problem describing this hand

2C 2D
2S 2NT
3H 3NT
4H

and so on. With a trick less I would bid a straight 4H after 2NT.
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Posted 2005-September-25, 13:12

whereagles, on Sep 25 2005, 02:02 PM, said:

2C seems fair to me. I don't think there'll be a problem describing this hand

2C 2D
2S 2NT
3H 3NT
4H

and so on. With a trick less I would bid a straight 4H after 2NT.

I assume that was a game force auction for you, a bit tougher if you start out:
2c=2h(non game force but not negative just deny A or K) or whatever in your style :(.
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Posted 2005-September-25, 13:14

whereagles, on Sep 25 2005, 02:02 PM, said:

2C seems fair to me. I don't think there'll be a problem describing this hand

2C 2D
2S 2NT
3H 3NT
4H

and so on. With a trick less I would bid a straight 4H after 2NT.

Interesting, how will pard divine you are not 6-5 like you showed? He will preference you with 2-2 and you will start getting tapped. You will not like it very much. You also assume the opps won't bid. Holding 2 minor suit cards and opening 2C, this seems unlikely to me.
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Posted 2005-September-25, 14:40

Jlall, on Sep 25 2005, 02:14 PM, said:

whereagles, on Sep 25 2005, 02:02 PM, said:

2C seems fair to me. I don't think there'll be a problem describing this hand

2C 2D
2S 2NT
3H 3NT
4H

and so on. With a trick less I would bid a straight 4H after 2NT.

Interesting, how will pard divine you are not 6-5 like you showed? He will preference you with 2-2 and you will start getting tapped. You will not like it very much. You also assume the opps won't bid. Holding 2 minor suit cards and opening 2C, this seems unlikely to me.

How about:

2C-2D* *catchall bid
3H*-3S** *Majors. **Weak preference or 2/2
4H* *Longer major.
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Posted 2005-September-25, 15:00

would be nice if i played it. so would a lot of things ;)
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Posted 2005-September-25, 16:03

And then there still is the problem that the opponents are likely to interfere and you may not be able to show both suits.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-September-25, 17:07

If we start with showing off our little systems, why not open a strong 1♣ opening? ;)

Easy 1♥ imo, easiest way to show strong with 5-6.
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Posted 2005-September-25, 17:31

1♥.

If I open 2♣ we'll likely get pummeled in ♦/♣ and not get our suits in.

If pard passes 1♥ - I am only slightly worried about playing exactly 1♥. It may be a total misfit or the opponents might rescue me.

If I get a 2 of a minor balance on my right, I will jump to 3♠.
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Posted 2005-September-25, 17:45

Free, on Sep 25 2005, 06:07 PM, said:

If we start with showing off our little systems, why not open a strong 1♣ opening? ;)

Easy 1♥ imo, easiest way to show strong with 5-6.

Playing a strong 1C system is in my experience WORSE than playing strong 2C systems. The opponents are even more likely to interfere and when they do, you partner doesn't even know close to how strong you are.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-September-25, 21:21

Am I the only one for the natural 1♠?
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Posted 2005-September-26, 01:47

Fluffy, on Sep 25 2005, 10:21 PM, said:

Am I the only one for the natural 1♠?

YES!!!! LOLOLOLOL. :)
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Posted 2005-September-26, 01:58

Hi,

2C - planning to bid 2H and over that 3S, and finally 4H,
wtp? Maybe partner wont give me 6-5, but at least
I showed 6-4.

I want to reach game.

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Posted 2005-September-26, 01:59

Jlall, on Sep 25 2005, 07:14 PM, said:

whereagles, on Sep 25 2005, 02:02 PM, said:

2C seems fair to me. I don't think there'll be a problem describing this hand

2C 2D
2S 2NT
3H 3NT
4H

and so on. With a trick less I would bid a straight 4H after 2NT.

Interesting, how will pard divine you are not 6-5 like you showed? He will preference you with 2-2 and you will start getting tapped. You will not like it very much. You also assume the opps won't bid. Holding 2 minor suit cards and opening 2C, this seems unlikely to me.

Nobody's perfect. If pard has 2-2 and I go down for playing in the wrong fit... well, that's the worst-case-scenario, and I don't usually think in terms of that.

As I say, this is a guessing game. My guess is to open 2♣ and sort it out later. Yours is to open 1♥ and hope it's not passed out.
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Posted 2005-September-26, 02:01

Hannie, on Sep 25 2005, 05:03 PM, said:

And then there still is the problem that the opponents are likely to interfere and you may not be able to show both suits.

Hi,

I am not worried, about the opponents, I have
a suit, I can play Hearts.

Maybe I can describe my hand 100%, but I want to
hear partner decision, if they sacrifie with 5 or 6 in
a minor.

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Marlowe
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