[han]

You hold J xx AQJxxxxx xx, partner deals and opens 2D, multi, RHO passes. Your call.

This Multi 2D opening includes weak hands in either major, 22-24 balanced hands and strong minor suited hands. No strong hands with majors.

[whereagles]

2S for me. Don't mind to play 3H if pard has them.

Passing is possible, but only if the multi has no strong variations.

[awm]

Pass could be right, but it will be embarrassing and bad for the partnership if opener has 22-24 balanced and we play our grand in 2♦. Might be another good hand for mini-multi.

I'll try 2♥ (pass/correct). If we play there I'd be surprised, since opponents have a rather large number of spades and most of the values. If partner corrects to 2♠, perhaps I can try 3♦ over that (not sure if that is suggesting a contract, or some kind of forward-going bid with a spade fit in your methods).

[david_c]

Completely agree with awm. 2♥.

[inquiry]

Don't Pass...... :-)

As it turns out... your partner would be lucky if you did pass... .and it went all pass...... as opponents are laydown for 4♠ (I believe).

Depending upon your methods, I think 3♦ here is the best bid. Pass however, at least caters to the most common hand your parnter can hold (weak two in major).

[mike777]

5D

second choice 4D

Wow! These responses really tell me I have no idea how to play Multi. These bids never entered into my options.

[Echognome]

A lot of what responses you can play to 'bump' an auction in multi depend on your strong options. From what you play, your only real fear of bidding some number of diamonds is that partner holds a strong hand with a minor and you've just preempted him out of showing his hand. In my system where we include 4441 strong hands, I'd be worried about preempting p and bidding in his singleton, not because I'm worried about the 8-1 fit, but that partner will never know when to raise. That being said, it just depends on your agreements. I don't think playing 3♣ and 3♦ as NF is really playable. So, I'd probably go down the road of a simple 2♥. It's certainly not ideal. But then again, it's not often that you are going to come by an 8 card suit like this.

[Free]

easy 2♥ imo. Passing is no option! Starting with 2♥ is the only way to be able to signoff in 3♦.

[cherdano]

Free, on Sep 16 2005, 06:46 PM, said:

easy 2♥ imo. Passing is no option! Starting with 2♥ is the only way to be able to signoff in 3♦.

Why do we want to signoff in 3♦ with an 8-card suit? At unfavourable there may be some value in doing so, but otherwise, I want to be in 5♦ as fast as possible (if its not MP).

Arend

[SoTired]

even if partner has a 6-card heart weak 2 and void in diam, diam is likely to be a better contract.

So 3D, 4D, or 5D

[inquiry]

Jlall, on Sep 16 2005, 01:09 PM, said:

SoTired, on Sep 16 2005, 12:08 PM, said:

even if partner has a 6-card heart weak 2 and void in diam, diam is likely to be a better contract.

So 3D, 4D, or 5D

I have no idea what 4D would mean but im guessing 3D is forcing.

For me, 3♦ is forcing. 4♦ shows responder with 5♠ and 4♥, and 5♦ is to play. My plan would be, for what it is worth, to bid 3♦ then 4♦ and hope to get to play there....

Also for what it is worth, the pass woth this hand gained a half a dozen imps.... Everything was wrong, and you have to lose 1♦, 1♠, 1♥ and 2♣, so 2♦ is your limit. So, GREAT pass.... :-).... .but I think never pass with this is right. As for 5♦, vul was "both"

[cherdano]

inquiry, on Sep 16 2005, 07:26 PM, said:

Also for what it is worth, the pass woth this hand gained a half a dozen imps.... Everything was wrong, and you have to lose 1♦, 1♠, 1♥ and 2♣, so 2♦ is your limit. So, GREAT pass.... :-).... .but I think never pass with this is right. As for 5♦, vul was "both"

So how did opponents manage to pass 2♦ out with ~25 hcp and a big major fit?

Arend

[SoTired]

Ben, is that a commonly accepted response structure to multi-2D?

If you held this hand 10 times, passing and saving a trick in diam 9 times when partner has a weak-2 will be washed away by the 1 time you miss the grand.

[Fluffy]

5♦!

[inquiry]

cherdano, on Sep 16 2005, 01:33 PM, said:

inquiry, on Sep 16 2005, 07:26 PM, said:

Also for what it is worth, the pass woth this hand gained a half a dozen imps.... Everything was wrong, and you have to lose 1♦, 1♠, 1♥ and 2♣, so 2♦ is your limit. So, GREAT pass.... :-).... .but I think never pass with this is right. As for 5♦, vul was "both"

So how did opponents manage to pass 2♦ out with ~25 hcp and a big major fit?

Arend

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Well.. to be fair... what kind of hand passes... 2♦? Not this kind. So West would be expected to have like 0 to 2 points and a lot of diamonds. So if west has no points, and if EAST had weak two hand... how many points would that leave south with? Your guess is as good as mind, I would think somewehre around 18, and he would have a long major (the one that EAST did not have). So from north's point of view, EAST most certainly is probably looking at a balanced 23-24 hcp. To bid at these colors could be very bad perhaps.....

[P_Marlowe]

2H, wtp?

Over 2S bid 3D, which has
to be natural and a sign of.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Al_U_Card]

Would 2NT over the 2D be a game force? I think it likely that 5D could end up the contract so why not fert a wee dram.......btw my version of the title concludes with....unless it is trump.