Writing the score before the hand is finished
#1
Posted 2013-December-17, 18:27
I had to endure this from my LHO in tonight's match, along with plenty of gloating, berating his partner over an overtrick (this was IMPs lol), detaching cards before his turn to play, and lots of unsolicited advice on how I should have played the hand better. Wonderful. Still, I thought of all these offences writing in the scorecard before the end of the hand is probably the worst since it conveys UI to his partner.
ahydra
#2
Posted 2013-December-17, 19:02
I have seen "make final call, write contract in scorecard" before. 1NT-p-3NT, fine; but a competitive auction less so...
#3
Posted 2013-December-17, 20:24
#5
Posted 2013-December-17, 23:30
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#6
Posted 2013-December-18, 06:35
I guess using Bridgemates doing this is silly, but not totally bad since you can cancel the score out again. Using travellers it would obviously be a definite no-no because of the ability to see previous scores. To be honest if you think you know how many tricks are going to be taken, I say you should claim, since that what claiming is there for.
ahydra
#7
Posted 2013-December-18, 07:16
#8
Posted 2013-December-18, 09:22
campboy, on 2013-December-18, 07:16, said:
If a player writes down anything prematurely (for instance on his private scoresheet) I shall consider that a violation of:
Law 40C3{a} said:
#10
Posted 2013-December-18, 10:01
#11
Posted 2013-December-18, 11:41
#12
Posted 2013-December-18, 14:52
#13
Posted 2013-December-18, 15:22
pran, on 2013-December-18, 09:22, said:
"Unless permitted by the Regulating Authority a player is not entitled during the auction and play periods to any aids to his memory, calculation or technique."
When you find someone using a mobile phone during the session, do you give them a revoke penalty?
We already have perfectly good laws to deal with this behaviour, without any need to pretend that the offender has done something that he hasn't:
- We determine whether it's a claim under Law 68. If it is, we deal with it under Laws 68-71.
- We determine whether UI was made available. If it was, we deal with it under Law 16.
- We determine whether it constituted communication. If it is, we deal with it under Law 73B.
- We determine whether it was a breach of the proprieties. If it was, we penalise the offender and adjust for any damage.
#14
Posted 2013-December-18, 15:35
campboy, on 2013-December-18, 07:16, said:
I don't think that the condition "unless he demonstrably did not intend to claim" is relevant. That appears to apply only to "when he shows his cards", and not to "when he suggests that play be curtailed".
I think it may be a claim, depending on his manner and intention.
I occasionally write down the score during the play, but not in a way that allows anyone else to see what I am doing. My objective in doing so is to save time. That's not a claim.
I've seen players write down the score ostentatiously, as a public prediction of the number of tricks they would score. That's a claim.
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It doesn't have to be mentuoned in 74B. 74A1 makes all discourtesy illegal.
#15
Posted 2013-December-18, 15:49
pran, on 2013-December-18, 09:22, said:
Unless permitted by the Regulating Authority a player is not entitled during the auction and play periods to any aids to his memory, calculation or technique.
gnasher, on 2013-December-18, 15:22, said:
How did the idea of a revoke surface?
#16
Posted 2013-December-18, 16:12
pran, on 2013-December-18, 15:49, said:
It came from the same place as "aids to his memory, calculation or technique".
#17
Posted 2013-December-18, 16:48
gnasher, on 2013-December-18, 15:35, said:
Ah, yes, you're right. I didn't look at the punctuation carefully enough.
#18
Posted 2013-December-18, 17:42
pran, on 2013-December-18, 15:49, said:
gnasher, on 2013-December-18, 16:12, said:
Nonsense.
If you write something down for the purpose of having the information available later then it certainly is an aid to your memory.
#19
Posted 2013-December-18, 17:56
pran, on 2013-December-18, 17:42, said:
The point is that it is only illegal to use the aid to memory during the auction and play period. So provided "later" is "after the hand" then there is no violation of this particular law. (This is the same reason it is legal to write the contract on your scorecard while waiting for the opening lead, so long as you don't refer to it during the play.)
#20
Posted 2013-December-18, 18:39