Cyberyeti, on 2017-April-01, 13:03, said:
Sorry, you must have blundered into the wrong forum, N/B is that way
Your example hand is ridiculous.
a) you being cold for 4
♠ is a mirage, opps are cold for 5
♣ and may well bid it.
b) if 4
♥ is doubled for penalties, partner is quite likely to bid 4
♠
c) step out of the 1950s, nobody any good is that rigid with their preempts any more
Also a very good amount of the time, hearts will divide 2-1-1 round the table so if either partner has the ace or the doubleton and you'll have 8 tricks, if not you'll have 7 which is reasonable for 4
♥.
Would love to play against you, my preempting style would give you apoplexy.
Oh really?
Let's play hardball and live in your BRIDGE MATRIX...Same Exact Board.
AUCTION DESCRIPTION:
South plays hardball and modern bridge and none of that "1950's" mess RedSpawn was spouting and opens 3
♦ with 1 HCP.
West sees the 3
♦ preemptive bid and raises the auction even higher to 4
♥ close out because after all, West knows best. His shapely, 9 card
♥ suit hand with 2 HCP is useless if he can't declare
♥ as trump. Also, West believes ON AVERAGE,
♥ trump will split 2-1-1 so 4
♥ should take at least 7 tricks end of story and is thus a worthwhile pursuit.
Now, North being of sound mind and body is sitting pretty in 3rd seat. He wipes his monitor to make sure he is seeing right and then doubles 4
♥ mercilessly. 😈
Since South faithfully trusts his partner 😇, he will NOT pull his partner's double. Why? Because a double after a 3
♦ preemptive bid is NOT a request for a different suit -- it is a punishing BATTLE AX penalty.
So, East has to wonder. Does East commit a primordial bridge sin and override his partner's 4
♥ bid with a 4
♠ or does he trust his partner's judgment? 👍 or 👎?
East is void of
♥ so it is quite possible that his partner is sitting pretty on a very long high quality
♥ suit and only needs a few quick tricks on outside suits from his partner.
How does East respond to 4♥X by North when he can't see his partner's cards? This really gets to the ♥ of the question Jennifer was asking about suit quality of 4 level bids (no pun intended).
MORAL OF THE STORY:
The problem with poor suit quality preemptive bids is not what West may bid per se, but what his partner decides to bid in response. Usually partner is best to "PASS", even if they have 15-16 HCP. This is because the Pre-emptor is already counting on his partner for two or three tricks depending on vulnerability so one should only support partner if they have value above and beyond these tricks.