Minimum for a second in vul weak 2?
#1
Posted 2016-October-05, 14:45
#3
Posted 2016-October-05, 16:12
wank, on 2016-October-05, 16:01, said:
If balish means I have shortness (preferably 6421) then yes.
Preempts show length. They should have offense. They shouldn't have defense. 2nd seat is no exception.
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#4
Posted 2016-October-05, 16:13
#5
Posted 2016-October-05, 16:16
Phil, on 2016-October-05, 16:12, said:
Preempts show length. They should have offense. They shouldn't have defense. 2nd seat is no exception.
i meant something like kqt9xx xx xxx xx as in relatively balanced.
if i had extra shape, e.g. 6421 i would accept a weaker suit.
#6
Posted 2016-October-06, 06:50
wank, on 2016-October-05, 16:16, said:
if i had extra shape, e.g. 6421 i would accept a weaker suit.
Yeah, I might go as low as KJT9xx x xxxx xx. Maybe I would want the 8. It's close, this is about my limit. KQ98xx same story.
grumpy nitpick: I wish you would capitalize honor cards.
-gwnn
#7
Posted 2016-October-06, 07:24
Eg on the cusp would you prefer a 'pure' hand, such as KQ987x xxx xx xx, or a hand with some outside values to get it 'up to strength', such as KQ987x xxx Kx xx? If the opened suit is substantially too weak, would you open anyway with decent outside values, and does it depend on the nature of the values? Eg
QJTxxx Axx xx xx
QJ98xx KJx Qx Jx
#8
Posted 2016-October-06, 07:29
#9
Posted 2016-October-06, 07:37
billw55, on 2016-October-06, 06:50, said:
Wank does not have a shift key on his keyboard which is why he does not capitalise the first letter of a sentence either nor the pronoun "I". But aces, kings, queens and jacks, should not be capitalized according to most publishing house styles. And deuces and treys have gone their own ways ... And KQJxxx and out for me. There they do need caps.
#10
Posted 2016-October-06, 08:00
wank, on 2016-October-06, 07:29, said:
The 'perfect' preempt looks like KQJT98, so I'm not going to agree with 'aces are good'.
However, I would rather have one Ace than two queens for a preempt.
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#11
Posted 2016-October-06, 08:39
Phil, on 2016-October-06, 08:00, said:
However, I would rather have one Ace than two queens for a preempt.
yes i'd rather have the hcp in my suit but for example qjtxxx xx xxx xx i wouldn't open but qjtxxx xx axx xx i would. i wouldn't open (by a large margin) qjtxxx xx qxx qx which is the same 7 hcp.
#12
Posted 2016-October-06, 11:41
And for me KQ97xx or QJT9xx and a card seems right, one more notch in suit quality at strictly unfavourable.
#13
Posted 2016-October-06, 12:09
wank, on 2016-October-06, 07:29, said:
Would you consider queens and jacks reasons *against* opening an otherwise marginal hand, or just neutral?
#14
Posted 2016-October-06, 12:39
mycroft, on 2016-October-06, 11:41, said:
#15
Posted 2016-October-09, 09:26
A decent suit with a good additional value -- KQ10xxx, KJ10xxx with an A or guarded K.
Basically, a good "disciplined" 1st seat weak 2 is enough.
I learned many, many years ago that AQJxxx and out is enough even VUL. Partner showed up with a 20+ point max 1 bid. We missed a laydown slam in my suit because I couldn't convince partner that my suit was good enough without the 2nd seat weak 2.