♠ lead, result 7♣x-1
Assign the blame How crazy can it get?
#1
Posted 2015-August-02, 03:23
♠ lead, result 7♣x-1
#2
Posted 2015-August-02, 03:58
#3
Posted 2015-August-02, 06:01
Because of the rapid rise to the 6 level, E must do some guessing. He might (and did) guess 7C without being sure of all suits being under control but it seems unlikely that he would do it without a spade control.
But auctions such as this are always a guess. Very suitable for discussion at the bar, but don't expect a clear resolution.
I don't think 7C is crazy. Unsuccessful, but not crazy
#4
Posted 2015-August-02, 09:43
kenberg, on 2015-August-02, 06:01, said:
Partner doubled major 2-suiter for penalty. Sure he could have some strange hands doubling this unusual 2♥ bid. However there is so reason to expect A♦ and a club fit needed to make 7♣.
#5
Posted 2015-August-02, 09:59
East must realize there is a huge difference between an actual guess and pure masterminding. There is little to no rational reason to assume 7c is the right place to play (I would have a ton more sympathy for 7h). Eest can easily have 6/7 hearts 1/2 spades and 3+ diamonds and can certainly be void in clubs. On the other hand x of 6s seems clear cut so the decision to bid 7c on a whim is masterminding in the extreme and got the zero it deserved (and even worse east would probably be proud if 7c had made sigh).
100% east
#6
Posted 2015-August-02, 10:47
steve2005, on 2015-August-02, 09:43, said:
I would like to know what their definition of a penalty double looked like, I was surprised to see an 8 count there, E might have been expecting something rather bigger, but he does have a lot of diamond losers.
#7
Posted 2015-August-02, 14:11
Dbl = penalty
2♠ = like a takeout Dbl
#8
Posted 2015-August-02, 14:38
East gambled too much.
#9
Posted 2015-August-11, 07:40
I do not consider this Double of 2♥ to be strong enough to be a penalty double showing ♥s. Also, when a Double is supposed to be a penalty double of a two-suiter, the Doubler needs stuff in both suits. Here, all the Double did was encourage North to make a great bid of 6♠ to put maximum pressure on the opponents.
Assessing blame: 70% West and 70% East ... yes, that is more than 100%, but both bids were poor choices.
#10
Posted 2015-August-11, 10:31
Whatever happens after the double wests hand is criminally inadequate.
What is baby oil made of?
#11
Posted 2015-August-11, 19:55
The only thing East knows is that 6 ♠ is unlikely to make. Holding the ♠ A and on opening lead against 6 ♠, East is sure to get 2 shots at defeating the contract. If North/South have compensating voids and can rough out East's side A's to make so be it.
East should sit for 6 ♠ as it is the most likely positive.
#12
Posted 2015-August-12, 02:04
#14
Posted 2015-August-15, 17:33
helene_t, on 2015-August-12, 02:04, said:
I agree that West call deserves 100% blame. But East call is worse. Bidding a grand slam when partner has promised zero support. 110% blame!
#15
Posted 2015-August-16, 14:34
Free, on 2015-August-02, 14:11, said:
Dbl = penalty
2♠ = like a takeout Dbl
Sorry, you have to define what double means, "penalty" doesn't fit for constructive continuations. Either it's like a heart overcall, or its strongish balanced-ish, you can't use it for both.
Mind you, no matter which agreement I don't think West has a double, and East's 7♣ bid is obviously crazy. But if you want the discussion to be constructive, you also need to sort out the agreement.