OGUST or Feature Showing (or is there something better?)
#1
Posted 2013-July-02, 23:15
1. Pros of each?
2. Cons of each?
3. Or is there a better method?
#2
Posted 2013-July-03, 00:38
#3
Posted 2013-July-03, 02:37
If 2M promises 6 then I agree with Nigel that Ogust is useful if you like to preempt on bad suits, and otherwise shortage is probably best. Feature can be quite useful but it is helpful to the defence also.
#4
Posted 2013-July-03, 03:53
#5
Posted 2013-July-03, 04:24
1. How does your bidding continue after a weak 2?
2. "Disciplined" is regarded by many as "2-of-the-top-3" or "3-of-the-top-5." You could have opened with a 5 or a 6 count. What does opener do when this weak, especially if the shortness is ♠? Now you force the auction to game?
#6
Posted 2013-July-03, 04:49
Might be helpful. Am pretty sure most posters will not have changed their thoughts since then.
#7
Posted 2013-July-03, 07:21
#9
Posted 2013-July-03, 08:39
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#10
Posted 2013-July-03, 09:11
TylerE, on 2013-July-03, 07:21, said:
And, in the opinion of others, if your weak 2's are so undisclipined that you need Ogust, you are doing it wrong. I don't think anyone else is doing it right or wrong --- it is just a different choice of style.
Our style for suit quality is different red vs. white, but with one common issue: we don't like to open 2M at any colors with more than one outside feature and try to avoid law subtractors (Q's/J's in short suits, etc.) Opening 1-bids are sometimes quite ugly 11's or good 10's.
Vulnerable (due to the above), we tend to not use 2NT nearly as frequently as others do...reserving it for powerful hands where slam is possible or 3NT might score better ---not for invitational purposes. In most other cases, we have found it simple and effective to just apply "2-3-4"--count our trumps and raise or not raise to that level.
Nonvul, we like to use 2NT to ask for good, normal, bad, and ugly ---the whole hand, not the suit.
New suit responses remain the same, regardless of colors.
#11
Posted 2013-July-03, 10:26
#12
Posted 2013-July-03, 11:03
barmar, on 2013-July-03, 10:26, said:
We can't do this over our weak 2♦ opening. We allow a non-forcing 2♥ or 2♠ bid by responder with no fit as it scores better. Our 2NT over a weak 2♦ is neither OGUST or Feature Ask. Instead it is a direct invitation to 3NT when opener is max for the weak 2 or has the top 3 honours in the suit.
So effectively we would only be able to use step OGUST over 2♥.
#13
Posted 2013-July-03, 11:10
nigel_k, on 2013-July-03, 00:38, said:
helene_t, on 2013-July-03, 02:37, said:
Phil352, on 2013-July-03, 03:53, said:
blackshoe, on 2013-July-03, 08:39, said:
32519, on 2013-July-03, 04:24, said:
1. How does your bidding continue after a weak 2?
2. "Disciplined" is regarded by many as "2-of-the-top-3" or "3-of-the-top-5." You could have opened with a 5 or a 6 count. What does opener do when this weak, especially if the shortness is ♠? Now you force the auction to game?
#14
Posted 2013-July-03, 11:51
It may not be the best in theory, but it's proven to be practical and easy to remember, which is my favorite kind of agreement.
#15
Posted 2013-July-03, 13:44
Sam and I play the following over 2S-2NT
3C = min with some shortness
3D = max short somewhere other than clubs
3H = max short clubs
3S = min no shortness
3NT = max no shortness
We also have the agreement that after this ask we will only play in spades or notrump (so other bids are either artificial asks of some sort or cuebids).
Over a 2H opening, 2S asks and all is shifted down a step.
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#16
Posted 2013-July-03, 14:02
#17
Posted 2013-July-03, 16:16
Your mileage may vary, of course.
#18
Posted 2013-July-03, 22:49
#20
Posted 2013-July-04, 01:42
wank, on 2013-July-03, 23:01, said:
Wow? 80% plus of all Multi's are a weak 2 in either major. Many play a weak only Multi. Now your 80% plus becomes 100%.