mentor/mentee disagreement 2 how to proceed after p opens 1n (no opp bidding)
#3
Posted 2013-June-05, 10:51
gszes, on 2013-June-05, 10:32, said:
4 way transfers
3d = 6/7 card suit 2 of top 3 honors and out
All partnerships need agreements. How would you proceed in your
partnership either using the tools described above or you own system?
Stayman, intending to bid 3♠ over 2♥ and 3N over 2♦ or 2♠
#5
Posted 2013-June-05, 12:27
dustinst22, on 2013-June-05, 11:16, said:
Seems like we can make a slam on some layouts, and avoid a bad 3N on others.
I'm content giving up on partner having a prime perfecto with good diamonds in favor of the opponents not knowing what's going on. I think my stealing 3NT EV is greater than the EV from slam bidding or stopping on a dime in 4D or something.
bed
#6
Posted 2013-June-05, 13:43
jjbrr, on 2013-June-05, 12:27, said:
How do you propose making 3N on a spade or club lead opposite Axxx, AKQ, xx, Axxx, 5♦ just requires 3-2♦, 3N requires a lot more than that (♦ 3-2 and nobody having more than 4 of the black suit led). Also possible is xxx, AQ10, QJ, AKxxx where 5♦ is cold, 6♦ is basically on a finesse and 3N loses a bundle of spades
#8
Posted 2013-June-05, 17:59
Cyberyeti, on 2013-June-05, 13:43, said:
obviously partner doesn't have that hand because he opened 1nt.
#13
Posted 2013-June-05, 23:32
dustinst22, on 2013-June-05, 11:16, said:
Seems like we can make a slam on some layouts, and avoid a bad 3N on others.
It all depends on your system. I was taught SAYC. 3♦ over 2♣ as Stayman shows slam interest in ♦ according to the 2006 SAYC booklet. Clearly that hand does not qualify for a slam try. 3NT will now have to be your 2nd bid. If necessary (not holding the ♦Q or 3 small), opener can sacrifice the first ♦ trick and hopefully make the other 5. 3NT can still make.
#15
Posted 2013-June-06, 03:06
#16
Posted 2013-June-06, 03:32
plum_tree, on 2013-June-06, 03:06, said:
I wouldn't change the booklet, I would just move on.
It is designed to give players a basic framework - nothing more, so if you want to modify or change something, just do it.
#18
Posted 2013-June-06, 05:15
Codo, on 2013-June-06, 00:38, said:
If this is a slam try in Diamonds in your system, change your system.
I actually play Stayman/3♦ over 2♠ as the old fashioned signoff 4♥-6♦, but I play a weak NT which makes it a lot more frequent. Provided it's only guaranteeing a mild slam try I'm not unhappy with it, xxxx, AK, Qxxx, AKxx would appear to be a pretty solid slam.
#19
Posted 2013-June-06, 06:25
Codo, on 2013-June-06, 00:38, said:
If this is a slam try in Diamonds in your system, change your system.
3♦ is a GF so I suppose it will usually be based on some slam interest, even if the main objective is choice of game. Maybe whether we should call it a "slam try" is just semantics. I wouldn't be afraid of overbidding if I bid 3♦ with this hand, regardless of whether we play SAYC or something else.
#20
Posted 2013-June-09, 06:06
(1) Inv with 4 H and fewer than 4 Sp (this hand) or
(2) GF with 4 H and 5 Sp.
Opener rebids 3C with 4 H or Max, else 2N.
Over 2N I bid 3D to play
Over 3C I bid 3D (f) confirming any hand type (1)
if opener then bids 3H (min + fit) I may still pop him up one
EDIT
just noticed this is beginner forum, but op did ask so i leave it
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