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#1 User is offline   l milne 

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Posted 2010-November-29, 16:33



2NT was balanced GF or 3-card limit raise.

Lead is the K♦ (standard leads), West playing the 7 (udca).

Plan the play!
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Posted 2010-November-29, 16:44

Should read 4H obviously.
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Posted 2010-November-29, 20:14

DA. To SK.
How many S-ruffs do Ineed?
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Posted 2010-November-29, 20:53

View Postl milne, on 2010-November-29, 16:33, said:


2NT was balanced GF or 3-card limit raise.
Lead is the K♦ (standard leads), West playing the 7 (udca).
Plan the play!
My guess ♦A, ♥A, ♣A, discarding ♦, ♠ to ♠9 or ♠J.
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Posted 2010-November-30, 04:05

duck the lead
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Posted 2010-November-30, 13:10

Ducking the lead is obvious.
What next?
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Posted 2010-November-30, 13:22

View Postskjaeran, on 2010-November-30, 13:10, said:

Ducking the lead is obvious.

...although not so clever if West ruffs the next ♦, plays a ♠ to his partner's Ace and ruffs another ♦.

How do you think the ♦ are split? ♦K would be a much more attractive lead from KQ10(xx) than KQ(xx), and if West does not have ♦10 then the 7 looks more like a singleton than anything else.
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Posted 2010-November-30, 14:48

If you win and play a spade to the King, it loses and West returns a small trump. What next?
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Posted 2010-December-01, 12:24

View PostWellSpyder, on 2010-November-30, 13:22, said:

...although not so clever if West ruffs the next ♦, plays a ♠ to his partner's Ace and ruffs another ♦.

How do you think the ♦ are split? ♦K would be a much more attractive lead from KQ10(xx) than KQ(xx), and if West does not have ♦10 then the 7 looks more like a singleton than anything else.


The ♦K would be the obvious lead from anything from KQx/KQT to KQTxx.
RHO would play the 7 from 7/76/75/765 and even from T765 playing udca.
I maintain that ducking is obvious, although it could be fatal.
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Posted 2010-December-01, 17:11

I would definitely play small from 76;75.
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Posted 2010-December-01, 17:39

I suppose it depends on the definition of UDCA. Not sure how these opponents would play (whether count would be priority on a King lead or not).

Also, for those leading spades from dummy, what is the plan when the next player plays low? J or 9?
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Posted 2010-December-01, 17:43

Are people really discussing how the card that East plays to trick one affects our decision about which card to play from dummy?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-December-01, 18:11

View Postgnasher, on 2010-December-01, 17:43, said:

Are people really discussing how the card that East plays to trick one affects our decision about which card to play from dummy?


I don't think so. I set up the diagram poorly so North is declarer, East led the ♦King.
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Posted 2010-December-01, 18:52

Suddenly it all makes sense.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-December-01, 19:12

View Postgnasher, on 2010-December-01, 18:52, said:

Suddenly it all makes sense.


Yeah, as soon as I posted the hand I knew it looked a bit dumb. But I was too lazy to correct it. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2010-December-02, 07:54

View Postl milne, on 2010-December-01, 18:11, said:

I don't think so. I set up the diagram poorly so North is declarer, East led the ♦King.

Right, then duck the lead :)
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Posted 2010-December-05, 13:26

Results:

The trick 1 duckers get to go one off with me. I've since reviewed the hand and now think ducking at best accomplishes nothing, and at worse, well, the real hand is below. Mind you, my perception may be skewed that this was on the way to losing the final of a major event.


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Posted 2010-December-07, 11:26

Its a bit tough this board. Even if I guess to win the A of diamonds at trick one, surely that is because I plan to play A of hearts A of clubs pitch diamond ruff a club and a spade up. If the ace of spades is onside I am probably ok, as I can afford to lose two spades, and provided hearts 3-2 I can survive a 4-2 spade break most of the time. Though not if west holds Qx, and Txx hearts, as now he can win the second spade play a trump, later over ruff dummy and play a trump, so lose A spades, a slow spade, an over ruff and a diamond. I can survive Ax onside with Txx trumps though.

My instinct was to win the ace of diamonds first up, but then i probably dont duck enough in situations like this so it could be a case of right for the wrong reasons.
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Posted 2010-December-07, 15:19

In actual deal (dbl dummy) u can not make unless you take ♦ A, play ♥ to A, discard a ♦ on ♣a and play 2nd ♥. Any other card u play from dummy except than ♥ 4♥ goes down. interesting
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Posted 2010-December-07, 16:58

View PostMrAce, on 2010-December-07, 15:19, said:

In actual deal (dbl dummy) u can not make unless you take ♦ A, play ♥ to A, discard a ♦ on ♣a and play 2nd ♥. Any other card u play from dummy except than ♥ 4♥ goes down. interesting
Yes, the double-dummy analyser says that, after winning ♦A, you have to get the spades right by leading any ♠ except the deuce and running it unless covered. If you like, you can draw trumps and cash ♣A first. Hard to get that one right at the table :)
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