vg|Practice match Open teams NET-FRA,5_8,I,1,16,Netherlands,258,France,240| rs|5CE=,5CE=,2SWx-1,1NS-2,2NS=,2NS=,3NS-1,3NN+1,4SN+1,4SN+1,5CNx-3,5DE+1,4HN-1,4HN-1,5CN+2,6CS+1,3SS+1,2SS=,2HN-2,2HS=,3NW-1,5DWx-1,4DW-4,2SW-3,3CN-1,3NS-2,2SN-1,3SN-1,3NW+1,3NW+1,4HW=,4HW=| pn|Nab,Combescure,BobDrijver,Rombaut,Lorenzini,Molenaar,Sebbane,Verbeek|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SKQ973HAQ92DQ8CT2,SA2HK843D92CK9875,SJT854HT76DK75C63,S6HJ5DAJT643CAQJ4|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: ahhhh i never looked at the other options for responder's FIRST bid|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|3S|mb|4C|nt|vugraphzdu: 3@s = weak|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S!|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver asking if 4@c was forcing. Rombaut: No|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: if 4@C = non-force should that mean 4@S is absolutely cue? i assumed alert was some form of last train [better than 5@C but not necessarily @S control]|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|s7|pc|c7|pc|dK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SKQ973HAQ92DQ8CT2,SA2HK843D92CK9875,SJT854HT76DK75C63,S6HJ5DAJT643CAQJ4|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|3S|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = a) 5+@D b) 4441@C|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|s3|pc|c7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|c8|mc|11|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SAQJ8HT7D8632CAK2,SKT763HJ86DKQ54CQ,S95HKQ52DJT9CJT86,S42HA943DA7C97543|sv|n|nt|vugraphzdu: sorry, I alerted, because all non-natural bids are alerted in the Netherlands; sometimes players do, sometimes not at high level|pg|| mb|1N!|mb|d|nt|vugraphzdu: 1NT = 9-12|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ok|pg|| mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: both pairs have multiple ranges for 1N EW [nv] 1/2: 9-12 3rd:13-15, can be weaker [vul/4th] 15-17|pg|| mb|d!|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: do NOT let ACBL see east's opener|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Rombaut wrote something|pg|| nt|ahollan1: they are adamant that 1N MUST promise at least 10 hcp and NO UPGRADES|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: I think I remember from yesterday they still play transfers over DBL, so 2@s might well be @s + something|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: but maybe I'm wrong|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|ahollan1: in college there was some experimentation with system that used opening 1N = 6-8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|s2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: transfers over mini-nt have never made sense to me regardless of 2nd hand action|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: among other things -- gives the opponents more room to maneuver knowing there will be another chance to bid|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|vugraphzdu: Nab playing a spade, so Combescure cannot shorten himself|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|s7|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SAQJ8HT7D8632CAK2,SKT763HJ86DKQ54CQ,S95HKQ52DJT9CJT86,S42HA943DA7C97543|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|c4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|sJ|pg|| mc|5|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SAJHJ76DAKT43CAK6,SQT643HQ82DQCQJ54,S2HT54DJ9652CT987,SK9875HAK93D87C32|sv|e|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 2NT = 19-21|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SAJHJ76DAKT43CAK6,SQT643HQ82DQCQJ54,S2HT54DJ9652CT987,SK9875HAK93D87C32|sv|e|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|c5|pc|d5|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h8|pc|d9|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d6|pc|c2|pc|dT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|s4|pc|dJ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c7|pc|h9|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|s7|pc|c6|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SAK62HKQJ2D53CJ85,SQ3HT953D97642CA6,S875HA87DKQCKT973,SJT94H64DAJT8CQ42|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C!|nt|vugraphzdu: 1@c = 2+|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = forcing, 2+@C|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 1@h = 7+, natural, can have longer minor (not 4@h-4@s < invite)|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N!|an|4!s|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 2@h-raise can be done on 3, as we see here|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 2NT asks|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 2NT = 4@s, actually|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 2@s would have been the ask|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: I think 3@c describes the north hand well, showing long @c with only 3-card @h|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: but maybe they have made some other agreements here|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@H 4@S, 7-10 would respond 1@C-1@D|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver wrote something down; 3@c could have been 3@h or a bad hand with 4@h|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 3@d asks|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 3@h circling the meaning of 3-card @h now|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: sorry continuing nab's auction shows 4+@H 4@S, INV+|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver explaining: with 3-3-4-3 they open 1@d; but 2-3-4-4 they can bid this way|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: 2N = INV+ but forcing [just not game force]|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: so it seems like the long @c did not come out|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h8|nt|vugraphzdu: Rombaut put his @d10 in front|pg|| pc|dT|pc|hQ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|s5|nt|vugraphzdu: Rombaut not finding it easy to find a discard|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: if declarer has @s AKQx or @c Axx he can miss neither a spade nor a club|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver in the meantime checking some system notes|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|c7|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c9|pc|sJ|mc|8|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SAK62HKQJ2D53CJ85,SQ3HT953D97642CA6,S875HA87DKQCKT973,SJT94H64DAJT8CQ42|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h8|pc|c4|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|c7|pc|d8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d2|pc|s7|pc|s9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3ST9652HAQ54DA5C65,SJ4HT86D7642CJ832,SAQ8H93DQT983CAK4,SK73HKJ72DKJCQT97|sv|n|mb|1N|nt|vugraphzdu: 1NT 15-17 here|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D!|nt|vugraphzdu: both players half alerted 2@c; did not alert 2@d|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: NS ranges for 1N nv: [1/2] 10-12, bad 10 can pass [3/4] 12-14 vul: (good 14)15-17|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: standard smolen sequence|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 3@h = 5@s - 4@h|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|nt|vugraphzdu: 3@s showing a good hand for spades in case south is stronger|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d9|nt|ahollan1: dennis keeps typing faster than me|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but i was typing 3@S stronger than jump to 4@S|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: a quick cover by Rombaut|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s6|mc|11|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3ST9652HAQ54DA5C65,SJ4HT86D7642CJ832,SAQ8H93DQT983CAK4,SK73HKJ72DKJCQT97|sv|n|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|sK|pc|h4|pc|d4|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S52HQJT72D7CKJ764,SK93HA43DKQT86C98,S876H96DJ95CAQ532,SAQJT4HK85DA432CT|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|2S!|nt|ahollan1: 2@S = specifically OM & @C|pg|| mb|3H|an|.|nt|ahollan1: i think lorenzini's 2@S was also showing top & bottom suits|pg|| mb|5C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|nt|vugraphzdu: Molenaar bid 3NT over 2@s, I think it showed @d + @s|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: i wondered about 3N -- thx dennis|pg|| pc|s5|nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver showing his hand|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S52HQJT72D7CKJ764,SK93HA43DKQT86C98,S876H96DJ95CAQ532,SAQJT4HK85DA432CT|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|2S!|mb|3N!|mb|5C|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|mc|12|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SJ976HAQ76DKTC632,S832HT5DA95432C95,SAKQ5HKJ982DJCJ84,ST4H43DQ876CAKQT7|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|warrens: difficult to get to the nearly laydown slam here. I was surprised that Rombaut doubled, but didn't expect them to find 6|pg|| mb|2N!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N = 4+fit INV|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|vugraphzdu: better than a mixed raise|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|d9|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SJ976HAQ76DKTC632,S832HT5DA95432C95,SAKQ5HKJ982DJCJ84,ST4H43DQ876CAKQT7|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|h5|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|dT|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2ST4HAJ875DCKJ6543,SKQJ973HQDAKQ64C9,SA5HKT4D8752CAQ87,S862H9632DJT93CT2|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: i will make it official -- west has nice hand|pg|| mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|warrens: with a @S lead, this is a 5 or 7 hand. without one, always makes slam.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other table result reminds me of rubber bridge days -- i would hold west cards and opponents bid & make slam|pg|| mb|2S!|nt|vugraphzdu: Verbeek made a raise to 2@s at the other table|pg|| nt|warrens: 6@D is a very good sacrifice|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: south will be lucky to find no high cards in diamonds in the north hand|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4N!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: guessing 4N = 2 places to play|pg|| nt|warrens: a very practical bid by West. gives no information to the opponents (though partner is left in the dark too). This will make it very hard for N/S to get to 6.|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: OR slam try in @H??|pg|| mb|p|nt|warrens: No way for South to know that his partner has ZERO in @D's|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: better to play an immediate 5@h as the slam try|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: so 4NT - 5@d - 5@h = sign-off with @c + @h|pg|| nt|warrens: time for West to go quietly|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: the OR statement means that some play that 4N covers both options of 2 places to play or slam try in the highest unbid suit|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|cK|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hK|mc|13|nt|ahollan1: i.e. never only slam try in @H|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2ST4HAJ875DCKJ6543,SKQJ973HQDAKQ64C9,SA5HKT4D8752CAQ87,S862H9632DJT93CT2|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2S|mb|3S|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|5S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|6C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|sK|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pg|| mc|13|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SKJ8732HA6DK9CA92,SQT6H93DAT76532CT,S5HKT75DJ4CKJ8753,SA94HQJ842DQ8CQ64|sv|e|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 3@s = NF|pg|| nt|ahollan1: would it be out of line to say 5 or 7 hands suck [when i guess wrong]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 3@s non-forcing, but Nab was hoping Drijver could raise|pg|| nt|ahollan1: new suit non-force when non-vul forcing when vul|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|c3|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|h5|pc|sA|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SKJ8732HA6DK9CA92,SQT6H93DAT76532CT,S5HKT75DJ4CKJ8753,SA94HQJ842DQ8CQ64|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|c3|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|sT|pc|c5|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4S963HAKT653D72C32,SA754H987DAJ63CK6,SKQJ82HDQT8CAQ854,STHQJ42DK954CJT97|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 2@d = multi|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: weak with 6@h or @s or strong hands|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3-way multi a) weak, 6@H/@S b) FG, @D c) FG, BAL, 25+|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver thinking for a while now|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: has a good hand, but will know partner has a weak-2 in hearts|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D-2@S does NOT promise good hand for @H so that might be an option|pg|| nt|ahollan1: opener bids 2N with @H after 2@D-2@S|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: their cc says p/c for 2@d-2@s|pg|| mb|2H!|nt|ahollan1: right|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: right i was just trying to think of options for drijver 2@D-2@S-2N-3@C would show @S & @C, FG 2@D-2@S-2N-3@S = INV|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: all finally leads to what we always suspected 2@D-2@H-P|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|h3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|s2|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|c4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h5|mc|6|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4S963HAKT653D72C32,SA754H987DAJ63CK6,SKQJ82HDQT8CAQ854,STHQJ42DK954CJT97|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|d2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|c5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|c8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|sK|pc|hJ|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SK76543HK2D865C75,SQ92HA974DAKQT4C9,SAJTHQJ863D3CAT63,S8HT5DJ972CKQJ842|sv|o|mb|2D!|nt|vugraphzdu: 'retry' says Nab|pg|| nt|ahollan1: still 3-way multi|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: curiously - i don't think NS define 2@D-4@C/@D as meaningful bids|pg|| nt|warrens: West had to be deciding between 2NT and 3@D|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: yesterday we had a discussion whether a delayed 3@s bid would show fit for partner's suit if you are a passed hand|pg|| nt|warrens: Does North bid 3@S now (pass or correct)?|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Lorenzini passed first, then bid 3@s |pg|| mb|3H!|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|nt|warrens: South needs to duck this|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 2nd/4th and standard honor leads, but 3rd/5th in partner's suit|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|warrens: well, if he goes up and they take the first 3 @S tricks, then a @H shift would be it also|pg|| nt|warrens: but ducking makes it easy to beat this|pg|| nt|warrens: question for declarer is whether to attack @C's right away or run the @D's first, hoping for some mistakes by the defense|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d2|nt|warrens: he's down 1 if he cashes out, down 2 otherwise|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h6|pc|d7|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|cT|pc|d9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|dT|mc|8|nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver: 'a middle @s is encouraging, Bart'|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Nab: 'you're right, sorry, tried to fix it after that' |pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver: 'we will throw this agreement out' |pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SK76543HK2D865C75,SQ92HA974DAKQT4C9,SAJTHQJ863D3CAT63,S8HT5DJ972CKQJ842|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|3D|mb|3S|mb|4D|mb|4S|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|d9|pc|c7|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SQJ8HA9754D5CAQT3,SKT9543HQT6DATC84,SA72H82DKJ32CKJ95,S6HKJ3DQ98764C762|sv|n|mb|2D!|nt|vugraphzdu: 2@d = multi, weak 6@h/@s|pg|| nt|warrens: East could pass 2@D|pg|| mb|p|nt|warrens: I think it's unlikely, but possible|pg|| nt|ahollan1: curiously EW 2@D is 1-way multi but their 2@C and 2@H opening also multi|pg|| nt|ahollan1: kit woolsey believes 2@D is not passed nearly often enough|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and does not think PASS has to guarantee @D length|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Rombaut thinking|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver: 'you see, difficult convention'|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: Nab asked about the strenght of 3@d|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Combescure: forcing|pg|| nt|warrens: wow, really?|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: but Rombaut wrote down NF|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver suggests to him |pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 'pass also NF'|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: screens are in place; so North-East on the same side ; South-West on the other|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|warrens: now Nab is very suspicious, but goes quietly|pg|| pc|d3|nt|vugraphzdu: if 3@d NF, then Nab would have doubled 3@d, I suppose|pg|| nt|warrens: with this lead, should be -4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg|| nt|warrens: eliminates almost any chance for a ruff in dummy|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: in hand, you mean :)|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|h7|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|s4|pc|cJ|pc|d7|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SQJ8HA9754D5CAQT3,SKT9543HQT6DATC84,SA72H82DKJ32CKJ95,S6HKJ3DQ98764C762|sv|n|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|s2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|cT|pc|dT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|d7|pc|sJ|pg|| mc|5|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3ST32HAQ2DK983CAQ3,SA987HKT9764DJ7C2,SKJ4HJ3DT65CKT876,SQ65H85DAQ42CJ954|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|vugraphzdu: 1NT = 15-17|pg|| mb|2D!|nt|vugraphzdu: 2@d = 1 Major|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: last board of this set|pg|| mb|d|nt|vugraphzdu: DBL = points|pg|| mb|2H!|nt|vugraphzdu: 2@h = p/c|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|d!|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: Rombaut writing: 2nd X = t/o; Drijver nodding|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: interesting bidding; does Drijver show minors now? or just 5@c|pg|| nt|warrens: 2@S was an interesting choice by Nab. I thought he might bid 2NT, if it was natural.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|h7|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s8|pc|cK|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s7|nt|vugraphzdu: other two tables also finished, so we might start the 3rd set a bit early|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: right after comparisons|pg|| nt|warrens: guessing right doesn't help much here|pg|| nt|warrens: going down one pretty much regardless|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|d3|pc|h4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sK|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d7|pg|| mc|8|nt|vugraphzdu: ok thanks for watching|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: thanks Al and Warren for the commentary|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: we might restart soon|pg|| nt|warrens: how many more boards today?|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 1 more set of 16 today|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 2x12 tomorrow morning (start 10:00)|pg|| pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3ST32HAQ2DK983CAQ3,SA987HKT9764DJ7C2,SKJ4HJ3DT65CKT876,SQ65H85DAQ42CJ954|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2C!|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|h7|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|c8|pc|d2|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|h9|pc|d5|pc|s6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h6|pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg|| mc|7|nt|vugraphzgt: A small toilet break right now|pg|| pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SQJ9H83DKQJ7CA854,SK642HQ972D9542C2,SA8753HJ65DT6CKT3,STHAKT4DA83CQJ976|sv|o|mb|1C|nt|vugraphzdu: 1@c = 3+|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 4-card overcall|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: not the right shape for take-out dbl with 3-2 in the Majors and very good diamonds|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cT|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver looking wondered about the club trick|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d8|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|c7|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|s6|pc|c3|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SQJ9H83DKQJ7CA854,SK642HQ972D9542C2,SA8753HJ65DT6CKT3,STHAKT4DA83CQJ976|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1S|mb|3H|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|s4|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|s6|pc|cK|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SJ76HJT753DQ9763C,SAK8HQ642DKJ42CKJ,ST543HA9DAT8CA982,SQ92HK8D5CQT76543|sv|n|nt|vugraphzdu: NS play 2@h-opening as 5@h-4+m (5-5 vulnerable)|pg|| mb|2H!|nt|vugraphzdu: I was about to say he wouldn't do it here|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: but he did|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = weak, 5-10, 5M (nv:4)5+@C/@D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: you may need to use new math to get to 5 hcp|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: @d7 will count for 2 at least :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: OR i should just say weak and not include range|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: Drijver though for a while before passing|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|nt|vugraphzdu: Rombaut writing|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|nt|vugraphzdu: Rombaut wrote a few lines, Combescure just a few words (or signs and numbers)|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: somewhere in the lines it says East can have 6@c|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|nt|vugraphzdu: NS lead 2nd/4th with standard from honors|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: but 3rd/5th in partner's suit|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 10 normally can be from 109x or HT9+|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|nt|ahollan1: 2nd leads include LOW from worthless doubleton|pg|| pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cK|nt|vugraphzdu: and upside-down signals for NS|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: so low = encouraging or even number|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|h7|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: 1st discard count|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: but a bit redundant here, as 2@h already showed exactly 5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|c4|nt|vugraphzdu: Nab holding card after card|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: first had @d7, now @s7|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|h4|nt|vugraphzdu: Combescure looks rather stress|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: worried a better description|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: but seems a lit less worried now, since Drijver's pause gives him the @hA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so drijver is more stressed|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: thinking for a while now|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|d6|pc|h2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|c5|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SJ76HJT753DQ9763C,SAK8HQ642DKJ42CKJ,ST543HA9DAT8CA982,SQ92HK8D5CQT76543|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|d7|pc|h2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|s9|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h5|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SQ83HJT8DKQ72CQ62,SA9HAKQ6DAJ8CKJ83,SJ7652H97DT953CA7,SKT4H5432D64CT954|sv|e|mb|2H!|nt|vugraphzdu: 2@h = minors or strong NT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = a) weak @C & @D b) BAL, 21-22|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|nt|vugraphzdu: 2@s = relay|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzdu: 3@c = stayman|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: but i think it denied 4@s (as they would bid 3@c with 4@s as a stayman)|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s6|pc|h5|pc|hT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry dennis - i don't follow that part in parenthesis|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| nt|vugraphzdu: their CC says 2@h - 3@c = stayman with 4@s|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SQ83HJT8DKQ72CQ62,SA9HAKQ6DAJ8CKJ83,SJ7652H97DT953CA7,SKT4H5432D64CT954|sv|e|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3S!|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|d|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s2|pc|h5|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| mc|10|pg||