vg|B 2018 Vanderbilt R32,Segment 2 of 4,I,16,30,Diamond,13,Demirev,35| rs|1NN+1,1NN+1,3NE+1,3NE-3,3SW-1,3SW=,6SW=,4HE+1,4HW-1,5CS-1,4HN+1,4HN+1,3DE-2,3DE-1,3NW-2,5CW-2,3NN=,3NN=,3NE-1,3NE-1,2SN+2,2SN+3,3HE-1,4SSx-3,4HN+1,4SS=,2NW-3,2SN-1,4SE=,4SE+1| pn|Platnick,Karaivanov,Diamond,Gunev,Meltzer,Brogeland,Demirev,Lindqvist|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SA64HAQ65DT3CT852,SJ3HJ9874DAJ96C97,SKQ8H32DK8742CA63,ST9752HKTDQ5CKQJ4|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|an|A|mb|1S|mb|d|an|A|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: upside down count and attitude|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: russinow|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c9|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|dK|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s5|pc|h5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|dA|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SA64HAQ65DT3CT852,SJ3HJ9874DAJ96C97,SKQ8H32DK8742CA63,ST9752HKTDQ5CKQJ4|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|h5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|sT|pc|h6|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|h4|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|hT|pc|c8|pc|h7|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3SQ542HAT5DA53CQ64,SAJ87HKJDT8762CT8,ST9HQ9642DQ94C952,SK63H873DKJCAKJ73|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|an|transfer|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|an|only 4 spades|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|d6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|hT|pc|d8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|s9|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3SQ542HAT5DA53CQ64,SAJ87HKJDT8762CT8,ST9HQ9642DQ94C952,SK63H873DKJCAKJ73|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sK|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d2|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c7|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h6|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SJT5HA873D94CAKQJ,SAK9863HJT92DQ7C7,S72HQDA852CT98652,SQ4HK654DKJT63C43|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2D|an|one major|mb|2S|an|ask range or clubs|mb|3H|an|A|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|s2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|s7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|s3|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SJT5HA873D94CAKQJ,SAK9863HJT92DQ7C7,S72HQDA852CT98652,SQ4HK654DKJT63C43|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2D|an|alert|mb|2N|an|clubs|mb|d|mb|3C|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|s2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|mc|9|nt|ahollan1: 2@D was a) @H or @S b) [M+m] @H/@S & @C/@D, good hand|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry i keep losing connection|pg|| pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1S952HQ43DK5CQJ874,SKJT873H96DAJ62CK,SAH8DQT9873CT9653,SQ64HAKJT752D4CA2|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2N|an|minors|mb|3D|an|limit raise|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|6C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|c9|pc|s6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h9|mc|12|pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1S952HQ43DK5CQJ874,SKJT873H96DAJ62CK,SAH8DQT9873CT9653,SQ64HAKJT752D4CA2|sv|e|mb|p|mb|2S|an|int|nt|ahollan1: 1st & 2nd seat Opening 2M = 6M, 8-11 hcp, good weak 2 |pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D Multi includes the wretched weak 2 openers|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@H established FG|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4@C = @H, good raise, 1st or 2nd round @C control|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h9|mc|11|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SQ87653HKJTDA5CJT,SJ9HA985432DK8CA6,S4HDQJT632CKQ9732,SAKT2HQ76D974C854|sv|b|mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfv: director called by north about the long hesitation on the other side of the screen last board|pg|| mb|2N|an|A|mb|3C|an|A|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|d6|pc|h6|pc|hT|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SQ87653HKJTDA5CJT,SJ9HA985432DK8CA6,S4HDQJT632CKQ9732,SAKT2HQ76D974C854|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfu: back to 20|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ok - who bet that we would go back to 20?|pg|| nt|ritong: welcome to wayne stuart|pg|| nt|wstuart: Hi folks.|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 2N or 4N?|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: got that in just in time :)|pg|| nt|ritong: 4NT looks ok with 6/6|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|ahollan1: interesting question for scientists if (1M)-4N = minors what is (1M)-4M [i.e. overcall with jump to 4 of opener's suit]|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|cT|pg|| nt|ritong: one way to go is to admit that 1M 4M is @c oriented when 1M 4NT is @d oriented|pg|| nt|ritong: with 6/5, that is|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Isn't there a difference between 1H-4H and 1S-4S?|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c6|nt|ritong: which would be what?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: answer somewhat depends upon if you play Leaping Michaels|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so (1M)-4m takes away some hand types|pg|| nt|wstuart: I prefer to use them as differntiating strength|pg|| pc|cK|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|s3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dK|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3S764HAJT4DKCKQ753,S982HK75DQJ975C94,SAKHQ8632DA43CT62,SQJT53H9DT862CAJ8|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2N|an|A|mb|p|mb|3D|an|A|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|nt|Vugraphzfv: 2 nt GF heart Riase|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 3D arti some extras|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: or min withstiff|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|dT|pc|hT|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|mc|11|pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3S764HAJT4DKCKQ753,S982HK75DQJ975C94,SAKHQ8632DA43CT62,SQJT53H9DT862CAJ8|sv|n|nt|LauraWales: Well, 1H-4H can include spades, whereas 1S-4S takes you above 4H.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: interestingly, we are now playing 21.|pg|| nt|ritong: ah, ok|pg|| nt|wstuart: 4@S must be natural|pg|| nt|wstuart: unless you're playing xfr preempts which I don't think is on the NS ticket.|pg|| mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2N|an|hearts|nt|ahollan1: i can imagine (1@H)-4@H being stronger @S bid than (1@H)-4@S OR strong minors than (1M)-4N|pg|| nt|LauraWales: (1H)-4H and (1S)-4S.|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: definitely needs partnership agreement because i doubt there is a "default"|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Or S+ minor - why not?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry easy to remember agreement that (1M)-4M always same hand type [ex strong than 4N showing minors or stronger than jump to 5m]|pg|| nt|wstuart: 2NT is commonly used as 4 card raise, limit or better|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @S & minor can be covered by Leaping Michaels aka World Convention in parts of Europe|pg|| mb|3D|nt|wstuart: the cuebid (2@S) would have been specifically 3 card raise.|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: not sure what demirev is doing, here|pg|| nt|ahollan1: help suit game try?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: can't see what he is writing for E|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Is easy to remember the criterion? Anyway, every conventional bid removes a natural bid, so you pays your money and takes your choice. I suppose it's whatever you've found most useful.|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|ritong: i guess he rejects 3@h and does not want to commit|pg|| nt|wstuart: useful also ios to play fit jumps in comp, i.e. 3@C 4@H-5@C inv, but they may have diff comp agreements|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: i am a big fan of fitjumps, almost anytime|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Me too.|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|wstuart: if a jump to 3@C is something else, it's also useful to play 4@C (the "splinter" bid) as fit showing instead of a splinter.|pg|| nt|ritong: something else being bergen or alike|pg|| nt|wstuart: I also am a fan of fit jumps but there is a chance for disaster|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Is there any point in Bergen after an overcall?|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ritong: i dunno, i play fitjumps:)|pg|| nt|wstuart: you have to have some firm agreements about when it's on and when it's off.|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|LauraWales: (That's a genuine question - I've only recently started playing Strong and 5, and of course no one ever bothers explaining the stuff they all learnt at their mother's knee, because they assume you know it.)|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|nt|wstuart: No, Bergen on in comp is basicallhy bad. |pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pg|| nt|wstuart: Bergen on BPH is bad too|pg|| nt|ahollan1: "strong and 5" means strong NT and 5-card majors if you have ever played Acol that is often "weak & 4" i.e. weak NT and 4-card majors|pg|| pc|hT|nt|wstuart: There are too many other important considerations as soon as the auction becomes competitive.|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|d2|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sK|nt|ritong: quite true, starting with finding double fits asap|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4SA873HJ76DQ9CJ984,SQJT62HAT94DCQ753,SK9HKQ53DJ652CAK6,S54H82DAKT8743CT2|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfv: director back to ask questions about bidding and alerts on 6S bd|pg|| mb|3D!|an|preemptive\|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: Diamond asked about preempt|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c3|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Diamond tinkiing|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|d3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|sT|pc|d2|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4SA873HJ76DQ9CJ984,SQJT62HAT94DCQ753,SK9HKQ53DJ652CAK6,S54H82DAKT8743CT2|sv|e|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: guess this will be 3NT " as it comes"|pg|| nt|wstuart: Yeah, there's no other guess here|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: or not|pg|| nt|ritong: well|pg|| nt|wstuart: A good thing to discuss is how advancers continues after the 3NT bid|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c3|nt|wstuart: Nick takes some big swing positions. I guess he thinks the vulnerability justifies his pass.|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|nt|ritong: sort of " if i make 3NT 3@d should be expensive"|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|nt|wstuart: yeah, is what he's thinking, but is it really the odds on action?|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ritong: with Jxxx as a @d stopper, i somehow doubt it|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|nt|wstuart: Agree|pg|| pc|h8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|d3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dA|mc|8|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1S2HJ98742DT632CT9,S873HAQT3DA94CAKQ,SAKQT54H6DK85C754,SJ96HK5DQJ7CJ8632|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|an|A|mb|p|mb|3D|an|A|mb|p|mb|3H|an|A|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|mc|7|pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1S2HJ98742DT632CT9,S873HAQT3DA94CAKQ,SAKQT54H6DK85C754,SJ96HK5DQJ7CJ8632|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|2S|mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|nt|Vugraphzfu: playing 23 now.|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|nt|ahollan1: let's start a pool -- which board will north select next|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Oops - just gone past the last making contract.|pg|| mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: hard to imagine EW going plus on this board at either table|pg|| pc|sK|nt|LauraWales: Yes.|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| nt|LauraWales: 2SX must be going for 500, surely?|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|h4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|nt|LauraWales: But maybe that's a bit far-fetched.|pg|| pc|h7|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but how do you get there?|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c6|nt|ahollan1: in other room i think EW play Polish club not sure what north will overcall after multi-purpose 1@C opener or how auction will proceed|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| nt|LauraWales: I know, that's why I said maybe it's a bit far-fetched. Unless East can double showing values rather than hearts (or can pass and wait for West to double, and even then ...)|pg|| pc|h3|pc|s4|pc|hK|mc|9|pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SK43HAK854DT98CK6,S62HQT62DK7CAT854,SA97H9DAQJ42C9732,SQJT85HJ73D653CQJ|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|1S|mb|d|an|A|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|an|inv and 4 spades|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|Vugraphzfv: inv no 4 spades|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dT|pc|c5|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|c2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SK43HAK854DT98CK6,S62HQT62DK7CAT854,SA97H9DAQJ42C9732,SQJT85HJ73D653CQJ|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfu: now let's play 24...|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|an|alert|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: raising 3@s here would show Hxx, but a better hand in my book|pg|| nt|wstuart: 2@S is FSF ( fourth suit forcing) which creates an artificial game force.|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|wstuart: Yes, Henri, I use that treatment as well.|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|s5|pc|h4|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hQ|pc|c2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3SQJ86HKT3DA84CJT8,SAK742H642DK92CA2,S5HQJ97DT763C9753,ST93HA85DQJ5CKQ64|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|A|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|nt|Vugraphzfv: rousinow leads |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: says shows queen|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dQ|nt|Vugraphzfv: east is in 3nt |pg|| pc|dA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: platnick thinking |pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d6|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|mc|8|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3SQJ86HKT3DA84CJT8,SAK742H642DK92CA2,S5HQJ97DT763C9753,ST93HA85DQJ5CKQ64|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1S|nt|ritong: bit surprising this room is ahead, considering that both demirev and brogeland are remakably deliberate, usually|pg|| nt|wstuart: This (4@S) can be made but I'm not sure htey will.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: 2@d is a "sign of life" facing a cue when 2@s would be discouraging|pg|| nt|wstuart: nice contract!|pg|| nt|wstuart: Yes, using the cheapest bid sort of like a response to Drury is a very very good idea|pg|| nt|ritong: 8 on top looking for the ninth|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|ritong: south opening increases the chance she has @s JQ|pg|| nt|ritong: thus i would take in hand and let the @s9 run, if uncovered|pg|| nt|wstuart: Yeah, it's easy from my computer but will he pick it off?|pg|| nt|wstuart: He can't pllay @H first to get a better read on the @S suit|pg|| nt|wstuart: He really can't even on @D if htey defend accurately since he can only afford to play 1 rd if they duck the aces|pg|| nt|wstuart: so, he's just gonna have to guess this one at at T1 essentially.|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|nt|ritong: @ss 4/1 hurt|pg|| nt|wstuart: yeah, he did well|pg|| nt|wstuart: if he caught event the @S with N he could change his line|pg|| nt|wstuart: @S8|pg|| nt|wstuart: with north|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|h7|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dQ|nt|wstuart: I'm betting on a push on this hand, though I'll bet they're in 4@S at the other table.|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sK|nt|wstuart: Roland and I jused to bet a Coca-Cola on this type of thing. Any takers? :)|pg|| nt|ritong: i have a sneaky question|pg|| nt|ritong: have you peeked?:)|pg|| nt|LauraWales: It's that doom-laden feeling.|pg|| nt|wstuart: I did not cheat|pg|| nt|ritong: fine, then i think they will be in 3NT as well|pg|| nt|wstuart: kk, we're on for a Coke then|pg|| nt|ritong: yay|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|mc|8|nt|ahollan1: i actually have a bbo login of cokaholic|pg|| nt|wstuart: lol|pg|| pg|| qx|o26|st||md|4ST3HAQ97D8762CK62,S987H863DQJ93C987,SKQJ542HJT52DKCJ4,SA6HK4DAT54CAQT53|sv|b|mb|1C|an|precision|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|2S|an|weak|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c5|pc|d6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c26|st||md|4ST3HAQ97D8762CK62,S987H863DQJ93C987,SKQJ542HJT52DKCJ4,SA6HK4DAT54CAQT53|sv|b|nt|LauraWales: Loathesome substance. I'm not even sure I'd drink it if I were dying of thirst.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: BLASPHEMY|pg|| nt|wstuart: It has sugar and caffeine, what is your problem?|pg|| nt|ritong: perhaps al needs medicine on mornings|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|LauraWales: You rejected our tea, and I'm rejecting your sickly fizzy Coca-Cola.|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: true i only drink it for medicinal purposes|pg|| nt|ritong: of course|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|wstuart: Yeah, I treat morning sickness with it....|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|wstuart: And I have never rejected tea, FWIW|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: if you drink enough you can sleep avoid morning altogether|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: sleep late ...|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| nt|LauraWales: I'm a dedicated tea-drinker (what I discovered I needed to describe in the States as hot tea with cold milk, unsugared), so cola is the antithesis of a nice drink for me.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: is talking about drinks during a hand the equivalent of the "wave" during a baseball game?|pg|| nt|ritong: depends of the interest of the hand in question|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ritong: here, rather low|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|LauraWales: I've never been to a baseball game, though I've watched a few on telly.|pg|| mc|11|nt|ahollan1: i am willing to apologize for boreball - but not coke|pg|| pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1SJ763HJD76CQT9652,S4HQT9763DQJ53CK7,SQ952HK5DAKT8CA43,SAKT8HA842D942CJ8|sv|o|mb|p|mb|2D|an|A|mb|2N|mb|3H|an|A|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|s3|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1SJ763HJD76CQT9652,S4HQT9763DQJ53CK7,SQ952HK5DAKT8CA43,SAKT8HA842D942CJ8|sv|o|nt|LauraWales: No need to apologise for baseball - I found it quite interesting. It's like rounders, but with money.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: constructive weak 2 8-11|pg|| mb|d|mb|4H|nt|ritong: good old debate double or 2NT|pg|| nt|LauraWales: I arrived in Boston, at a hotel I had booked more or less at random but which turned out to be next door to Fenway Park, during the play-offs in 2007. Naturally, I had to take an interest, so I watched the rest of the play-offs and the ensuing |pg|| nt|LauraWales: World Series|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4@S shows why demirev picked DBL|pg|| nt|ritong: lindqvist has an opinion about this spot|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: would you try 4@S with south hand?|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Nope.|pg|| nt|ritong: the advantage of doubling is you likely find the best partscore the advantage of 2NT is the hand is ranged|pg|| nt|wstuart: I would pass, but for a different reason|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if not -- what if favorable vul so EW vul but NS not-vul|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|wstuart: I would be worried that N would bid more if I bid 4@S directly with the S hand.|pg|| nt|LauraWales: At teams surely 5C is a better bet, if you have to bid at all?|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| nt|wstuart: 10 < 11|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|LauraWales: Play the bloody queen of hearts, FFS.|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Ah, he did.|pg|| nt|ritong: wow|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Sorry, I was getting bored.|pg|| nt|ritong: you getting warm, laura|pg|| nt|LauraWales: No, just underwhelmed.|pg|| pc|h4|pc|s3|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| nt|LauraWales: Sorry.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2 halftime scores already posted to www.bridgewinners.com lavazza & pepsi have massive leads|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|s6|pc|d5|pg|| nt|wstuart: Rose is getting close to going down a ton here.|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h3|pc|c4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|h6|pc|s5|pg|| mc|7|nt|LauraWales: Why wasn't that 800?|pg|| nt|ritong: so, lets have a look|pg|| pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2ST943HAK3DKJ7CAT5,SQ62H64D864C98763,SAJ87HQ9752DQT2CQ,SK5HJT8DA953CKJ42|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: theyskipped a board we come bck |pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|c9|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2ST943HAK3DKJ7CAT5,SQ62H64D864C98763,SAJ87HQ9752DQT2CQ,SK5HJT8DA953CKJ42|sv|n|nt|ritong: ah|pg|| nt|ritong: 3NT|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|ritong: all world?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|wstuart: it was 800 at that point|pg|| nt|wstuart: But we are unofficial|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ritong: yes, no real sweat|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|LauraWales: What happened? Had East actually played to trick 11?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfu: cards were just kind of thrown down and they all said -3|pg|| nt|ritong: this 4@s contract looks safe|pg|| nt|wstuart: yes, I'll make the over/under 5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h8|nt|ritong: :)|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nice @S spots partner|pg|| nt|ritong: you are one coke behind, ftm|pg|| nt|wstuart: Henri, hyou won our Coke. They played 3NT as well.|pg|| nt|LauraWales: I do apologise for my outburst on the last board. I forgot I wasn't sitting with a lot of other British people, who regard that sort of thing as normal.|pg|| nt|ritong: yup|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| nt|ritong: so do we, laura really, no big deal|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| nt|LauraWales: I think we probably do swear more than the Americans, at least.|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that is one thing i think we can learn to do more|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3SJ754HT53DKJ652CA,SA93HQ74DAQTCKJT3,SKQTHAJ2D3CQ98652,S862HK986D9874C74|sv|b|mb|2C|an|shows 6 |mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c7|mc|5|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3SJ754HT53DKJ652CA,SA93HQ74DAQTCKJT3,SKQTHAJ2D3CQ98652,S862HK986D9874C74|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|p|nt|LauraWales: Well, we're much less religious, so there's no taboo on taking the Lord's name in vain.|pg|| nt|wstuart: north here is also Nick, but a different nick|pg|| mb|1H|mb|1N|nt|ritong: nikolai, right?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: you mean Goren?|pg|| nt|LauraWales: And I think that leads to a generally more casual attitude to swearing.|pg|| nt|wstuart: yews|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: so did the open room play 27 out of order?|pg|| mb|2S|nt|ritong: hang them|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|wstuart: That is believable|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: i was about to question reverse into 3-card suit -- but obviously 1@H shows 4+@S|pg|| nt|wstuart: Yes, they are playing xfr response to 1@C opening|pg|| nt|wstuart: howeverm the 2@S bid is still.... pretty aggressive.|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|s7|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|ritong: so we will have a break after the next board do we know how long, xxx?|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2.5 hours|pg|| pc|c9|pc|d9|pc|sJ|nt|ritong: opinions are divided|pg|| pc|cT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: expect to see 4 closest matches on vugraph for 2nd half|pg|| nt|ritong: so, 2 or 2.5?:)|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h8|pg|| nt|ritong: i will trust hollander|pg|| nt|ahollan1: start time 7pm EDT|pg|| nt|ritong: thanks buddy|pg|| nt|ahollan1: you can call me al :)|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|nt|LauraWales: That's 11pm for me and midnight for the other Europeans.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|nt|wstuart: Thank you, (Paul Simon)|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d7|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| mc|7|nt|ahollan1: show of hands -- how many heard that paul simon song after i made that statement|pg|| nt|wstuart: 1|pg|| pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4STHKQJ98643DQ2CT2,SAQ532H52DK95CQ93,SK7HT7DA8643C8764,SJ9864HADJT7CAKJ5|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|cA|pc|h8|pc|d9|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4STHKQJ98643DQ2CT2,SAQ532H52DK95CQ93,SK7HT7DA8643C8764,SJ9864HADJT7CAKJ5|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfu: you mean the Chevy Chase song?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i sure did|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: oy i forgot about chevy's role|pg|| mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h2|nt|wstuart: it's interesting to consider whether to bid 3@H or 4@H in this situation|pg|| nt|ritong: auction looks straightforward this board should not change the score|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pg|| nt|wstuart: When handling the @H suit vs the @S suit you change your thinking.|pg|| nt|ritong: 3@h would be sneaky|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| nt|wstuart: 3@H leaves them room to do what what you want which is to bid 3@S and miss a game. 4@H forces them to do what you don't want to hear which is 4@S.|pg|| pc|h7|pc|s8|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|h6|pc|s3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c3|nt|wstuart: on the other hand, 4@H is about what your tricks are worth and it takes more room away from them.|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ritong: this, as opposed to feeding pard with correct info, reg the 8th @h|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c9|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h8|pc|d5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| mc|11|nt|ritong: yes|pg|| nt|ritong: okay merci a tous|pg|| pg||