vg|2017 Spingold Final,Segment 3 of 4,I,1,15,Diamond,65,Lavazza,53| rs|6HW=,6HW=,2SW+1,4SW-2,4SE+1,3NW+2,2DN-1,3CW+2,4HW=,4HE=,3HN+1,4HS=,2NW+2,1NW+2,1NS+2,1NS+3,4HW=,4HW-3,PASS,1NE-1,4HE+1,4HE+1,5DNx-4,4HE-1,2SS+1,2SS=,5SS-1,4SS=,4SW=,4SW=| pn|Brogeland,Sementa,Lindqvist,Bocchi,Duboin,Diamond,Bilde,Platnick|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3S653HT82DQJCKQ875,SKQT9HQ764D84CAJ4,SAJ42HJDT75CT9632,S87HAK953DAK9632C|sv|o|nt|odysseus69: the stamina question varies from player to player - some find 60 boards no problem- others find it very tiring|pg|| nt|odysseus69: start with a slam|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|2D!|nt|odysseus69: looks easy to bid|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=5+@D or 4441|pg|| nt|odysseus69: need Al to traqnslate |pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N = RELAY, FG|pg|| nt|ahollan1: bocchi-sementa have been tinkering - 2@D does not match my old guesses|pg|| mb|3N!|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: links for video mentioned in http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/spingold-live-video/|pg|| nt|odysseus69: only an accident can keep them out of slam|pg|| nt|ahollan1: roland a bit prescient -- platnick opened precision 1@C|pg|| mb|5D!|nt|ahollan1: btw there is voice commentary at this table|pg|| mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|nt|odysseus69: only 4-0 hearts will trouble now|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3S653HT82DQJCKQ875,SKQT9HQ764D84CAJ4,SAJ42HJDT75CT9632,S87HAK953DAK9632C|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1C!|an|STR, ART, F1|nt|ritong: hi everyone:)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|an|BAL, 12-13, no 5+ suit|mb|p|nt|ritong: big hand to start with|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 17+BAL // 2@H = BAL, no 5+suit, 12-13|pg|| nt|ritong: i bet my garden they reach 6@h here|pg|| mb|2N!|an|5+ !hs|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2N = 5+@H|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 3@H = 4-fit|pg|| mb|3H!|an|4 !hs|nt|ahollan2: i got all of this from old bbo FD file that EW used|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: although it s always tougher with voids, but here the @c A is not necessary|pg|| mb|3S!|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 3@S=non-serious?? |pg|| nt|ritong: dunno|pg|| mb|3N!|mb|p|mb|4C!|an|!c void|nt|Vugraphzfb: Platnick, the only one whose notes I can see, wrote a lot about 3@s but I can't read it with his arm in the way|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D!|an|KCB|mb|p|mb|4N!|an|3 Keycards for !hs|mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: i m asked " how so, your garden???"|pg|| nt|ritong: well, when i am certain i bet the house|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis Bilde, who has to be one of the nicest bridge players out there, kindly passed me the notes Bryan had written, so that's how I filled in some of the meanings|pg|| nt|ahollan2: links for video mentioned in http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/spingold-live-video/|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I think that one of the meanings for 3@s was he could have a void and then 4@c showed that he had a club void|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|ahollan2: oh so 3@S forced 3N then opener got to clarify -- kool|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ritong: no horror to counter this fine spot|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|nt|ritong: so a push|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c3|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d7|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4S986HAT6DAT87CA65,SAT742H4DQ9CKQJ97,SKJHK9872DJ432CT8,SQ53HQJ53DK65C432|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: surely 2@D includes hands with @D & @H - but i'm not sure if that is exclusively red suits or just one option|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room duboin-bilde|pg|| nt|ahollan1: guessing that jan martel entered names correctly|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C!|nt|reisig: I was hoping for a close match....and got it!|pg|| mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| nt|odysseus69: 9 easy tricks now|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|h7|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4S986HAT6DAT87CA65,SAT742H4DQ9CKQJ97,SKJHK9872DJ432CT8,SQ53HQJ53DK65C432|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C!|an|2+|mb|1S|mb|d|an|4+ !hs|mb|2H!|an|!s raise (better than 2!s)|nt|ritong: here, east will raise|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: had he not done that, south would have been forced to bid 1NT, even with three baby @ss|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|medwards: Missing a few KCs|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| nt|ritong: including the @s J|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 2+@C // DBL = 4/5@H in one note i have 4+@H in another :(|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|nt|ritong: the second downtrick is worth 1 imp|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|sJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ritong: so 6 it will be|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1S862HKJT7DAKQ7CT9,SQ95HA9DJTCAKQ876,ST43HQ8632D82CJ32,SAKJ7H54D96543C54|sv|e|mb|1D!|mb|d|nt|reisig: May end in 2@c here|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+@C // 1@D=4+@D but i think not when (42) in majors|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|reisig: Or not :)|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: not headed for the cold 3NT|pg|| mb|p|pc|dK|nt|odysseus69: 3nt and 4 spades both easy|pg|| nt|reisig: @h K ..really?|pg|| nt|reisig: :)|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d5|pg|| nt|reisig: Suits behave well|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| nt|odysseus69: cant cope with 4-1 clubs |pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sJ|mc|11|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1S862HKJT7DAKQ7CT9,SQ95HA9DJTCAKQ876,ST43HQ8632D82CJ32,SAKJ7H54D96543C54|sv|e|mb|1C!|an|2+|mb|1N|nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 2+@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|ritong: they are in 3NT one way or the other|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| nt|ritong: same score than the moysian @s fit other room|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s7|pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SKT84HKT3D942CQ74,SQ752H94DTCAKT963,SJ96HQJ8DAKQ76CJ5,SA3HA7652DJ853C82|sv|b|nt|reisig: A great result|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|an|!|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|d!|mb|r!|mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: double -3 spades|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2 diamond played 4@S down|pg|| mb|p|pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+@D // DBL = 3@S|pg|| nt|reisig: I bet @h 9|pg|| nt|fabsayc: spade|pg|| nt|ahollan1: RDBL = values other say AND exactly 2-fit but I don't think Big Bang has that agreement|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s3|nt|reisig: Martin is ALWAYS right :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: might even be good auction for analog to snapdragon DBL where east could show 4th suit and tolerance for partner|pg|| nt|fabsayc: my girl friends said otherwise|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dT|nt|reisig: Seems like -100|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h7|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SKT84HKT3D942CQ74,SQ752H94DTCAKT963,SJ96HQJ8DAKQ76CJ5,SA3HA7652DJ853C82|sv|b|nt|ritong: sopme violence here?|pg|| nt|ritong: for instance 3@c opening|pg|| nt|stc: not in other room |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Diamond sorted through his bidding box to try to find the 2@c card and after three times through, he reached over and took it out of Duboin's box|pg|| mb|2C|an|6+ !cs, 10-15|mb|2D|nt|ritong: :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: The director was called and told they needed another 2@c card and he sorted through Duboin's bidding box and found another one :)|pg|| nt|ritong: hehe|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 2@C = 10-15, 6+@C|pg|| mb|2N!|an|NAT, F1|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: i would have guessed 2N artificial - but trust Jan got note at table|pg|| nt|stc: N cannot lead effectively a trump|pg|| nt|ritong: what about competing some|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Duboin asking about 2N & 3@c and Diamond explains that 2N was natural but forcing for 1 round and he could have bid something more encouraging than 3@c|pg|| nt|ahollan2: in mid 80s [1980s, not 1880s] i had convention card that said General Approach: 2N is never natural|pg|| mb|p|pc|dA|nt|Vugraphzfb: Diamond: "the bridge gods are letting me play every hand ... we'll be here all day"|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Diamond asks about signals: "first drick is std, after that upside down|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i wonder if that is always true or just because lead shows AK|pg|| nt|ritong: sounds like a general policy|pg|| nt|ritong: a very interesting idea, btw|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'm not sure - Diamond did ask about A lead first and Duboin said AK, then D asked about signals|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: But I'd have thought he'd specify it was std because of the AK lead if it wasn't always|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|hT|pg|| nt|stc: Plan B, @h 3-3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|c8|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|c6|pc|d6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d7|pc|h6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| nt|ritong: resembles a double scrouiking|pg|| pc|c3|pc|hJ|pc|dJ|mc|11|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3ST94HQDQJ432CKQ76,SAKQ8H32DA75CA842,SJ653HKT96DT8CT53,S72HAJ8754DK96CJ9|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|4C!|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 4@C = South African Texas TRF @H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: limited by failure to open 2@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|odysseus69: play of heart suit to lose 2 tricks is key|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: now Bocchi can retransfer or play it himself|pg|| nt|reisig: 4@d = you play a hand for a change!|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|nt|kareno: Hello again from Toronto :)|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|odysseus69: heart to ace or heart to jack|pg|| nt|odysseus69: ace looks rright|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|reisig: Hmm|pg|| nt|kareno: Ace surely. |pg|| nt|kareno: Not the best play IMO|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: 4 [2@DN-1] diamond opened precision 2@C and is playing 3@C|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| nt|kareno: Okay - I'm happy to learn even at my advanced age :) |pg|| nt|kareno: I'm told Ace is wrong.|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|cJ|pc|s9|pg|| nt|kareno: I see by counting on the fingers, Ace picks up only singleton K or Q while J picks up three useful singletons|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|h4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h5|nt|fabsayc: analysis without considering the other suits is suspect|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s8|pc|hT|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|reisig: Oops|pg|| nt|kareno: Okay, I've had about 50 lessons and now it's time to look forward|pg|| pc|h7|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: NS leads 3rd/5th|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|d8|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3ST94HQDQJ432CKQ76,SAKQ8H32DA75CA842,SJ653HKT96DT8CT53,S72HAJ8754DK96CJ9|sv|n|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|medwards: undo?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Sorry, wanted to put in the last trick from the previous hand, which wasn't really played, so everyone could see how he made 5 :)|pg|| mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C!|an|Max|mb|p|nt|ritong: impatient to see how he will manage @hs|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ahollan2: 2N = modified ogust // 3@C = MAX|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I don't know whether 3@c said anything about suit quality - Diamond just said maximum|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I guess Al knows more than !, and it didn't :)|pg|| pc|cA|nt|ahollan2: responses look similar to meckwell with opener being able to distinguish max, min, and medium|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ritong: straightforward|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hJ|nt|ahollan2: sort of unfair to use reference to Ogust since suit quality is not part of response structure|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SAHAK62DAKT73C753,SKQT983H53DQ92CK6,SJ742HJT74D54CT94,S65HQ98DJ86CAQJ82|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=4+@D|pg|| nt|reisig: Prob X here|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|reisig: end in @h partial|pg|| nt|ahollan1: question asked gives me opportunity to talk about a favorite subject|pg|| nt|ahollan1: q: rule of eleven whem lead is 4t best; what rule when lead 3rd/5th?|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: use Rule of 15 to determine which Rule to use |pg|| nt|odysseus69: seeing the cards seduced me into careless suggestion -agreed declarer did it right unless there is merit in scrambling|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|nt|reisig: He's NOT thinking :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 15 minus length says which Rule so 15 - 4th = Rule of 11 // 15 minus 5th = Rule of 10 // 15 minus 3rd = Rule of 12|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dA|nt|odysseus69: cards friendly but not a game to bid|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|nt|kareno: Never thought about that. However, Sally B Johnson and I worked out the peculiar Jack leads we were getting from KJxxx. They were leading fourth but starting from the wrong end of the suit|pg|| pc|h7|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: (1@D)-2N = @H & @S, stronger than (1@D)-2@D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: (1M)-2N = OM & @D|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| nt|fabsayc: obscure way to play hand|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|s9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c8|pc|d7|pc|sT|nt|reisig: That's what they say about me!|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hJ|mc|9|nt|reisig: made +1|pg|| pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SAHAK62DAKT73C753,SKQT983H53DQ92CK6,SJ742HJT74D54CT94,S65HQ98DJ86CAQJ82|sv|e|nt|ritong: he was going down with KQ10x onside|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = 4+@D // 2@S = INV 6+suit, something like 9-11|pg|| mb|3H|an|4 !hs but strong interest in game|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Pretty sure that both Duboin & Bilde explained 3@h as I wrote it|pg|| nt|medwards: Really lucky make|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ritong: when low from both hands works with a stiff honor too complex to be analyzed live, especially when trump coup is involved as well|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d8|pg|| nt|ritong: since @h to the ace covers the stiff honor case|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|h4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| nt|stc: a very lucky game, freienly splits in @d and @h and Q on side|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| mc|10|nt|Vugraphzfb: Platnick asked Diamond what his heart spots were: "53, was that enough? "|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SQT875HJ542DK4C43,SAK6HT87DAQ752CQ9,SJ32HKQ3D98CAJ652,S94HA96DJT63CKT87|sv|b|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: looked like 10 tricks but I guess I missed a trick|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|2N|an|!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: 2@S forced 2N [2N would have forced 3@C]|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| nt|odysseus69: should they have bid this?|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg|| nt|odysseus69: no major improves the East hand|pg|| mc|10|nt|fabsayc: the relay approach seems to take the decision away from opener|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SQT875HJ542DK4C43,SAK6HT87DAQ752CQ9,SJ32HKQ3D98CAJ652,S94HA96DJT63CKT87|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Diamond asks Duboin what their bidding methods over 1NT are - Multi Landy in direct and Meckwell in balance|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|c4|nt|ahollan2: EW 1N range 1/2/3nv: 14-16 3v/4: 15-17|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Diamond asks about the lead: "attitude"|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sA|nt|ahollan2: attitude leads -- the lower the card the lower appreciation of shift to other suit|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SKHQ73DQ763CK8764,SA93HKT95DJ982CJ5,SQJ742HA42DT4CAQ3,ST865HJ86DAK5CT92|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h5|nt|kareno: Another possible thin game that makes|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hK|nt|kareno: Looks like they play either semiforcing 1nt or simply nonforcing.|pg|| nt|kareno: Al?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: NS do play 1M opener then response of [3M-2] = 3+fit, INV, 9-11 hc|pg|| nt|fabsayc: diamond and heart switch it would be tough|pg|| pc|h4|nt|odysseus69: hard to bid this one-and not vul|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N is NF up to 11 or terrible 12|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|d3|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|d6|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so 1@S-3@C would be 3+fit, 9-11|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SKHQ73DQ763CK8764,SA93HKT95DJ982CJ5,SQJ742HA42DT4CAQ3,ST865HJ86DAK5CT92|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|medwards: a past president of the ACBL, Dave Mcgee, was known as the "Hip-shooter. He would bid all of the games like the last two and would run up Match scores. Of course it also worked the other wasy also.|pg|| nt|ritong: don t think they play forcing NT but @h Axx is an issue|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Diamond asks if 1NT is forcing or semi-forcing or? Duboin: "not forcing"|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|h9|nt|Vugraphzfb: Duboin asks about the lead "Rusinow from 4 cards or more"|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|h3|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SKQJ3H7DA872CT753,SA84HAQJT985D963C,S752HK6DQJTCQ8642,ST96H432DK54CAKJ9|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: they bid the lucky 4 hearts|pg|| mb|1S|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: Nice @h spots in dummy :)|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|nt|kareno: So I have a small correction from a spec: 1nt not forcing. 1@S-2@S = 8-11 1@S-2@H = 3-7 or nat GF|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|nt|ahollan1: for NS?? if so that is new|pg|| nt|reisig: Did I miss something?|pg|| nt|kareno: And an oops from the same spec who says Al is, as usual right|pg|| mc|10|nt|ahollan1: sorry 1@S-3@D // 1@H-3@C = 3M-2|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SKQJ3H7DA872CT753,SA84HAQJT985D963C,S752HK6DQJTCQ8642,ST96H432DK54CAKJ9|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|an|2+|nt|medwards: So a tie match|pg|| nt|ritong: surprising result next room|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ritong: ah ok|pg|| nt|ritong: both south's mentioning @ss|pg|| mb|3H!|an|6+ !hs, FG|nt|medwards: Wonder who revoked in the other room.|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|nt|ritong: but even @s lead does not hurt defense i m puzzled|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: as Jan entered 3@H = 6+@H, FG|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|ritong: here it will go fast|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i agree that west hand too strong to just blast 4@H but don't know if they could find slam when opener has the right hand|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| nt|stc: great hand for transfers after overcall|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| mc|7|nt|Vugraphzfb: short break|pg|| nt|stc: however here S will lead a major|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: We're back|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SK74HQ74DT42CKQJ3,ST952HA83DK86CT84,SA86HK92D9753CA92,SQJ3HJT65DAQJC765|sv|b|nt|kareno: I claim innocence :)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: what happened|pg|| nt|reisig: Did that happen?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SK74HQ74DT42CKQJ3,ST952HA83DK86CT84,SA86HK92D9753CA92,SQJ3HJT65DAQJC765|sv|b|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: another nebulous 1@D=10-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|cT|pg|| nt|stc: next door Brogeland covered the SECOND @D to switch @S !!|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|ahollan2: i've been doing bad job of multi-tasking if you asked something and i have not answered - try again|pg|| pc|d6|pc|h2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|ahollan2: http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/spingold-live-video/ has links for both tables|pg|| nt|warrens: He can pin the 9 of @h on the next round, so likely -1 no matter what they do|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h6|pc|sK|pc|s9|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SAQ9732H6DT864C84,S64HAKJDAJ3CJ9752,SKT8HT854DK975CQ6,SJ5HQ9732DQ2CAKT3|sv|o|nt|kareno: I think the specs should get a rebate for a passed hand|pg|| mb|2S|nt|swanson: I've have always thought that if the first board of any KO is passed out, there should be a redeal.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: opening 2M = constructive, 8-11|pg|| mb|d|mb|3S!|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: weaker opens 2@D note: i was all set to explain Opening 2@D :(|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: maybe 64 makes hand too strong for 2@D|pg|| mb|p|pc|c8|nt|ahollan1: NS play transfers over 2M-DBL so direct raise = weak|pg|| pc|c2|nt|swanson: Should qualify that - not if boards preduplicated.|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: note to spectators: john remembers "shuffle, deal & play"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: he also remembers this event as a double elimination|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SAQ9732H6DT864C84,S64HAKJDAJ3CJ9752,SKT8HT854DK975CQ6,SJ5HQ9732DQ2CAKT3|sv|o|mb|2S|mb|d|mb|3S|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: identical auction fairly standard|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ahollan2: http://bridgefinesse.com/ACBLLive/NABC172SWIS6Swiss.htm|pg|| nt|warrens: an overtrick hangs on this trick, that's all|pg|| nt|ritong: yes|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|nt|warrens: bonsoir, Henri|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| nt|ritong: always awkward when they do not lead the raised suit|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ritong: hi warren:)|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|ritong: often means some singleton|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s7|nt|ahollan2: btw that leaderboard shows 3rd place team includes Benito Garozzo|pg|| nt|warrens: ok, a push. seemed unlikely South would have a weak 2 in @s's and then lead from the @d K|pg|| pc|s4|pc|hT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ritong: that too, yes|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SQJ94HAK64D6CKQ43,SK732H73DQ72CT952,ST85HDAJT543CJ876,SA6HQJT9852DK98CA|sv|n|nt|reisig: It isn't?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: you reenter from werhner teams tomorrow?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i just started reading bridge world article about the 1967 spingold day 1 was 104 teams split in 8 groups of 13, each group round robin of 5-board matches to qualify 8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and then it got confusing|pg|| nt|reisig: Seeding was based on MasterPoints too :)|pg|| nt|MrAce: Hi Al,Rich :) |pg|| nt|kareno: I'm sure there was plenty of complaining too|pg|| nt|MrAce: Karen|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Timo :(|pg|| nt|kareno: :)|pg|| mb|3N!|nt|MrAce: Just got home and it's 67-67 seems like i haven't missed anything :P |pg|| mb|d|mb|4H|an|!|nt|ahollan1: 3N = good 4@H/@S opener|pg|| nt|ahollan1: guessing 4@H = pass/correct|pg|| mb|5D|nt|kareno: See you all later - my dinner dates have arrived|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 4@C and 4@D were good preempts in hearts and spades respectively, called namyats|pg|| nt|MrAce: this 5@D will not play well|pg|| mb|d|nt|MrAce: And S does not even know which major E has ! |pg|| nt|fabsayc: this seems a more effiecient way, freeing up 4 of a minor as natural preempt|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: the double of 3NT gets the fate it deserves|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|c8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s6|nt|odysseus69: 10 of clubs for spade|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|d8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h3|nt|MrAce: I come to watch a tight match and suddenly hell breaks loose! :) |pg|| pc|sT|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|dA|nt|odysseus69: maybe tiredness setting in - Brogeland not himself|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|nt|stc: next door Brogeland covered the SECOND @d to switch @s !!|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SQJ94HAK64D6CKQ43,SK732H73DQ72CT952,ST85HDAJT543CJ876,SA6HQJT9852DK98CA|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|nt|stc: wow, 1100 next door|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: bocchi's 3N showed good 4@H/@S opener|pg|| nt|warrens: South wisely passes 4@h avoiding the problem at the other table|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|d5|pc|h2|pg|| nt|ritong: brogeland having real bad time|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|c2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h6|nt|stc: Playing with 3 strong pair is a major factor at the end of such a long and strong championship|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c3|pc|cT|nt|ritong: bit surprised here declarer could have @d K10x|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|ritong: then @d ruff necessary|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|c4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h8|pc|s4|pc|d7|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|cQ|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|sJ|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SAK983HK3DJ9CQJT7,SQ5HAJ6DT8632CA94,ST62H98754DKQ4CK6,SJ74HQT2DA75C8532|sv|b|nt|fabsayc: answering kibitzers, i agree fatigue is playing a big factor here|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i've been doing bad job of multi-tasking if you asked something and i have not answered - try again|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|nt|medwards: Could be|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: someday there will be more operator friendly solution to replace multiple undo|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: some undos?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: cant replicate fnal contract is correct|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|nt|odysseus69: inoccuous deal to follow 1100 -110 not quite same|pg|| pc|d2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| nt|Walddk2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmjmdIinwm0|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/spingold-live-video/ has links for both tables|pg|| nt|odysseus69: 140 now|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SAK983HK3DJ9CQJT7,SQ5HAJ6DT8632CA94,ST62H98754DKQ4CK6,SJ74HQT2DA75C8532|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C!|an|3 !ss, sound raise|nt|warrens: 2 passes first?!|pg|| mb|p|nt|stc: undo|pg|| mb|2D!|an|some interest|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2@C = Drury, 3+fit|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 2@D = some interest in game - nothing about @D|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d4|nt|ahollan2: 2@C strength approximately passed hand limit raise so good 8+ or something like that|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i should say Reverse Drury since this tournament we did have one pair playing older fashioned fit-drury where 2@D=non-opener|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| nt|ahollan2: other table finished play so voice commentary has moved to this room|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s8|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| nt|ahollan2: original drury did not even promise fit and i thought all had gone to reverse drury rebid where P-1M-2@C-2M = worst|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SKT63HQJ8D7CAQJ54,SA4HK542DKQJ542C2,SQJ9872HATD93CKT7,S5H9763DAT86C9863|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|2H!|mb|4D|mb|4S|mb|5D|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+@C // 2@H=6+@S, INV+|pg|| nt|MrAce: they can defeat 5@S on @C lead if he bids it |pg|| nt|ahollan1: http://bridgefinesse.com/ACBLLive/NABC172SWIS6Swiss.htm|pg|| nt|odysseus69: good save - 1 down if he can guess hearts otherwise 2 down -maybe Brogeland will go for 450|pg|| nt|MrAce: on the other hand 5@D is a good save vs 4@S|pg|| mb|5S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|nt|odysseus69: brogeland continues to do wrong thing|pg|| nt|ahollan1: btw that leaderboard shows 3rd place team includes Benito Garozzo|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 12 platnick opens 3rd seat 4@H ending the auction|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SKT63HQJ8D7CAQJ54,SA4HK542DKQJ542C2,SQJ9872HATD93CKT7,S5H9763DAT86C9863|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1C!|an|2+|mb|1D|nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 2+@C|pg|| mb|1H!|an|5+ !ss|mb|3D|an|weak|nt|ahollan2: 1@H = 5+@S|pg|| mb|3S|nt|ahollan2: yes FIVE+|pg|| nt|ahollan2: that was for spectator -- not you Jan|pg|| nt|ahollan2: the war responder shows 4@S depends upon other variables|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@C-(1@D)-DBL = @H [i think 5+@H]|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: most of this i got from looking at bocchi convention card from 2010 european championship -- scope out ecatsbridge|pg|| nt|ahollan2: that old CC had supplemental notes that have not been included in later iterations|pg|| nt|odysseus69: west planning to bid 5D over 4S|pg|| nt|ahollan2: in fact - there is no current CC for bocchi-sementa|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|nt|stc: wow, they missed the great save in 5@d|pg|| nt|odysseus69: got that wrong as usual|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|reisig: Not as often ...as me! :)|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan2: west only had 4 more @D than promised|pg|| nt|MrAce: :)|pg|| nt|medwards: Amazing segment for Lavazza|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|s4|pc|c7|pg|| nt|ahollan2: duh overcalled 1@D so just 1 more|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SA6HQJ82DJ65CKJ97,SKJ973HDK43CA6432,SQT5H963DT9872CQ5,S842HAKT754DAQCT8|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|MrAce: For those who are asking why Sementa played @DJ instead of @D2, they play reverse pref|pg|| mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: whoa last board of the set|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: closed room on 12|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3S|nt|ahollan1: start of final 15 will be short break after closed room finishes|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = 3+fit or some FG|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: undo 3S|pg|| nt|MrAce: Kate we need some undos |pg|| mb|p|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|c2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|c3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| nt|fabsayc: sementa considering eloping the hearts|pg|| nt|fabsayc: ie heart ruff first|pg|| mc|10|nt|fabsayc: scoring trumps in long hand via ruffs is known as eloping|pg|| nt|fabsayc: it refers to situation like declarer has singleton king at trick 11, but in dummy|pg|| nt|fabsayc: and scores king by ruffing when right hand opponent has AQ left|pg|| nt|odysseus69: this has been a nightmare for Brogeland - never seen so many major errors from him|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SA6HQJ82DJ65CKJ97,SKJ973HDK43CA6432,SQT5H963DT9872CQ5,S842HAKT754DAQCT8|sv|n|nt|stc: I would say for Diamond, the two big swings are errors|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: This is the last board of this segment. There are still 38 minutes on the clock, so I don't know how quickly we will resume|pg|| mb|1C!|an|2+|mb|1S|nt|MrAce: Which means we will see some fireworks on segment 4|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|ritong: thank you jan|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@C still/again/always 2+@C|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: i wonder if platnick has shown @S & @H or just @H|pg|| nt|reisig: Yes|pg|| nt|ritong: depends wether 2@h over 1@s would be forcing|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan2: i'm told 2@D like reverse drury -- some game interest, nothing about @D|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Bilde asked Platnick about the auction, but they were whispering, so I don't know what was said.|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|Vugraphzfb: Platnick just asked me what board the other table was on :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'm afraid I laughed|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Diamond asks about signals and Bilde says standard at trick 1 and UD after, so I guess it is trick 1, not dependent on AK lead|pg|| pc|c8|nt|ahollan2: restart when team diamond ready|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|c2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|c3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|s3|pc|h9|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|cT|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|s4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|sK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c6|pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|10|nt|ahollan2: kool end position|pg|| nt|ritong: style points indeed|pg|| pg||