vg|A - KO2 11th YEH BROS CUP,Segment 1,I,1,16,BulGer,0,Kokish,0| rs|3NS-3,1NS-1,4SS=,4SS=,3NE+1,5DW=,4SN-3,4HE-1,4SN+1,4SN=,3NN=,3NS+2,1NE+1,2HN=,3NE-4,3NE-3,3NN=,4SN-1,5DEx-2,4SNx-1,2DS+1,1NN+1,4HN+2,4HS+2,2SS=,2SS=,4SE-1,5DE-2,3NS=,5CN-2,3HN-1,3CW-1| pn|R.Welland,E.Kokish,S.Auken,F.Gitelman,C. Cheek,J.Stamatov,H.Bertens,D.Danailov|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SK95HKJTDKQCKJT93,ST63HA76DAT8753CA,SAQJ2HQ2D942C8542,S874H98543DJ6CQ76|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: for both pairs 1N= [1/2/3nv] 14-16 [3v/4] 15-17|pg|| nt|ahollan1: both EW pairs playing a version of precision|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|an| |mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i think passed hand 2@C is just stayman - but promises at least 1 4-card major|pg|| mb|2D|mb|d|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: invitational hand without 4M would bid 1N-2@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: bertens did not bid over cheek's 14-16 NT so he is playing 1N|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: good news for welland -- 1N also went down|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| pc|d7|pc|s2|pc|h4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|c5|mc|6|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SK95HKJTDKQCKJT93,ST63HA76DAT8753CA,SAQJ2HQ2D942C8542,S874H98543DJ6CQ76|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|h3|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|c2|pc|s4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c4|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SAKQ74H852D97CQT6,SJ62HKT63D43CKJ87,ST9853HAQJDAJTC54,SH974DKQ8652CA932|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1S!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: very strange to see 1@S opened on balanced hand|pg|| mb|1N!|an|relay,FG|mb|3D|mb|p!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: not sure if 5@S(332) must have 3@H or it is just a question of where honors located|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N = RELAY, FG|pg|| mb|3S!|mb|p|mb|3N!|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d5|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|d6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: hey kit|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|d8|pg|| nt|kit: hi Al|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: i'm not sure what the bids mean after the 3@D overcall|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dQ|mc|10|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SAKQ74H852D97CQT6,SJ62HKT63D43CKJ87,ST9853HAQJDAJTC54,SH974DKQ8652CA932|sv|n|mb|1D!|mb|1S|mb|1N|an| |mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d5|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|mc|10|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SJ853HKQ9D865CKQ6,SA7H6DAQ9732CT932,SQT42HJT87532DC85,SK96HA4DKJT4CAJ74|sv|e|mb|1C!|an|2+ !C|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+@C if BAL can have ANY 5-card suit including (542)2@C|pg|| mb|1D|nt|kit: 6@D would be a good contract except for the opening bid by South.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: auken has a toy to show 5+@S 4+@H but supposed to have 5-10 hcp|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|3N|nt|ahollan1: who needs hcp?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: click on name of table in low left corner - pop-up has link to tournament home page, which has link to results of all matches|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: for future - that applies to most bbo vugraph events so you don't need to bookmark or ask|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SJ853HKQ9D865CKQ6,SA7H6DAQ9732CT932,SQT42HJT87532DC85,SK96HA4DKJT4CAJ74|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|4H|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|d2|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h7|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|h3|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|d7|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SA752H87DK54C9764,SKT43HKQ32DJ2CJT2,SJ986H6DAQT8CKQ53,SQHAJT954D9763CA8|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = unbal 5+@D or 4@D(441)|pg|| mb|d|mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: expectation of auken holding 5+@D gives welland freedom to make weak negative dbl |pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s9|pc|d9|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: can/should kokish picture @CA in gitelman's hand?|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|s4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if so - wasn't @H continue a better defense?|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|c7|pc|hQ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: this is supposed to be kit's part of the coverage|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SA752H87DK54C9764,SKT43HKQ32DJ2CJT2,SJ986H6DAQT8CKQ53,SQHAJT954D9763CA8|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|2N|an| |mb|3S|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SQ874HJ6DAK865C62,S52HA8742D432CQT4,SKJT9H3DQ7CAKJ973,SA63HKQT95DJT9C85|sv|n|mb|1C!|an|2+ !C|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d!|mb|3H|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: duh i just realized erroneously had south declarer on 4|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: DBL = 4+@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: theme is when welland shows 4+@S auken is bidding 4@S|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|sQ|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SQ874HJ6DAK865C62,S52HA8742D432CQT4,SKJT9H3DQ7CAKJ973,SA63HKQT95DJT9C85|sv|n|mb|1C!|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|c3|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c6|mc|11|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SA94HAJT2DT954CA9,SJ82HK984DQJ3CJ73,SKT76HQ6DAK86CQT2,SQ53H753D72CK8654|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C!|nt|ahollan1: another nebulous 1@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N!|nt|ahollan1: auken can show 4+@S or start game force relay|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i forgot about this bid 2N=PUP 3@C a) to play b) FG, BAL, maybe 4@H/@S|pg|| mb|3C!|an|min,often bal|mb|p|mb|3D!|an|stayman|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@C = min, often BAL|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@D = stayman|pg|| mb|3S!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i think|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: ok stayman asking for OM|pg|| mb|p|pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|d6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|nt|ahollan1: played from other side lead was @DQ which only helped declarer|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|s3|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: defense takes 5 of the last 3 tricks|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SA94HAJT2DT954CA9,SJ82HK984DQJ3CJ73,SKT76HQ6DAK86CQT2,SQ53H753D72CK8654|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|c2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|cT|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c6|pc|dT|pc|c3|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SAKT9H742D85CAQ52,SJ743H8DAJT76CK74,S852HAKJ63D9432CJ,SQ6HQT95DKQCT9863|sv|b|mb|1C!|mb|1D|mb|d!|an|4+!H|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: DBL = 4+@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|h3|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SAKT9H742D85CAQ52,SJ743H8DAJT76CK74,S852HAKJ63D9432CJ,SQ6HQT95DKQCT9863|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|h9|mc|8|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SQT3HAQ93DT96CKQT,S9H62DA54CAJ87632,SAJ64HT85DJ732C95,SK8752HKJ74DKQ8C4|sv|o|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2S|an| |mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = 11-15, 6+@C // 2@D = RELAY, usually INV+ // 2@S = not 4@H/@S useful hand that is wrong for 2N rebid|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|kit: South needs to split when a club is led up, but this could be a losing play if declarer has a doubleton.|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|h4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: i don't know how to explain stamatov's 3@H response to the 2@D inquiry -- the only other time i saw the auction from that pair opener was 6@C 5@H|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h8|pc|s2|pc|cT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @H8 = reverse attitude -- but welland might lead the suit anyway|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|sK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm glad i waffled with might|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|h2|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|kareno: Al which round of KO is this?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2nd confirmed by name of table KO2|pg|| nt|kareno: Thanks all. So it's now a 12-team KO - round robins?|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|nt|ahollan1: KO1 and KO2 are 32 board matches played on same day -- final is 48 boards played the next day|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|kareno: So this is semifinal?|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|h3|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h7|nt|kareno: Al - someone wants to know how to see results|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2 brackets came out of swiss qualifying top 8, with Mr Yeh's teams automatically seeded 1 treated as undefeated|pg|| mc|5|nt|ahollan1: 2nd 8 treated as 1-time loser|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so a modified double elimination|pg|| nt|kareno: Ah, so it's a double KO - we used to play those in US|pg|| nt|ahollan1: where losers from top bracket fall into lower bracket and losers in lower bracket go home|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not pure double ko |pg|| nt|kareno: http://jcbl.willnet.ad.jp/Global/3xoxyva4tik6tkijfa7k/RoundKO/0/0|pg|| nt|ahollan1: slow table taking a break??|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so karen - how did you decide which las vegas player to watch this set?|pg|| nt|kareno: I picked the Koach - he was my coach when we played my most recent world championship :)|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SQT3HAQ93DT96CKQT,S9H62DA54CAJ87632,SAJ64HT85DJ732C95,SK8752HKJ74DKQ8C4|sv|o|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|s2|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|sK|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|c6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d7|pc|s8|pc|sT|mc|6|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SK963HQT7DT963CJ3,S42HKJ54DQ742CT62,SAT87HA963DAK8CA9,SQJ5H82DJ5CKQ8754|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: west known as Koach, kokes, eok|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = a) BAL, 20-21 b) any FG|pg|| mb|2D!|nt|ahollan1: close enough|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = a) @H, weak b) waiting "normal relay" // 2@H = a) nat b) BAL, 20-21|pg|| nt|kareno: Likely to end in 4@s and Sabine will have her work cut out for her|pg|| mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|2N!|nt|ahollan1: 2@S forces 2N if BAL 20-21|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|kareno: Hm.. system puts spades bid first in south|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: And they land in notrump.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3N = COG so it think that means welland implied 4@S at some point|pg|| nt|ahollan1: OR - i'm wrong about some of those bids|pg|| nt|kareno: I see - |pg|| pc|sJ|nt|kareno: North's hand looks very much like suit contract to me - aces and spaces.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: COG = Choice Of Game|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sA|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| nt|fabsayc: hi karen, al|pg|| nt|kareno: Fred Gitelman seems to subscribe to current theories about leading majors against notrump. I'd be more inclined to start with my suit... shrug|pg|| nt|kareno: Martin :)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: a treat to see Fred and Eric actually playing|pg|| nt|ahollan1: didn't they play in canadian trials in 2016? [but knocked out very early]|pg|| nt|kareno: This will make now - four spades, AK of diamonds (just to see) and a third diamond established, and two aces|pg|| nt|fabsayc: not so sure it will make|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c6|nt|fabsayc: the hearts look like a better trick source|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dJ|nt|kareno: Look at the diamond spots|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: combining chances |pg|| pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|fabsayc: yes al, your right, she can try both|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the question is what does auken do if @DAK gets small cards from both defenders|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c9|nt|kareno: I think, play a third. But I'd have to go to the encyclopedia to check on it|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: just look for any excuse not to have to guess @H :)|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s7|pc|c5|pc|s9|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d7|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h7|nt|kareno: I'm asked what the advantage of current theories about leading majors is. Since I don't subscribe to them... perhaps someone else would like to comment.|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| mc|9|nt|fabsayc: no comment|pg|| nt|fabsayc: my choice, club king|pg|| nt|kareno: But it has to do with the likelihood that majors would be shown (or asked about) and if they are not, then likely they belong to the defense|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SK963HQT7DT963CJ3,S42HKJ54DQ742CT62,SAT87HA963DAK8CA9,SQJ5H82DJ5CKQ8754|sv|e|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|s5|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4ST5HAJ85DK8CAQ874,S64HKQT4DQJ952C93,SKJ98732H9732D4CT,SAQH6DAT763CKJ652|sv|b|mb|1D|an|11-15,2+!D|nt|kareno: I already made that lead, Martin - agreed :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 11-15, 2+@D|pg|| nt|fabsayc: you need partner to have three clubs, so you may as well cater to doubleton jack|pg|| mb|1N|mb|2D|nt|fabsayc: you need either long spades or short spades with weak hand to make that work|pg|| mb|4H!|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: south has perfect hand for Raptor 1N showing 4@H/@S & 5+@C but welland not playing that toy - treats hand as strong NT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@H = Texas Transfer to @S|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|kit: Seems like South should have doubled |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|nt|fabsayc: do they play inverted doubles, it seems so|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| nt|kit: that would be consistent with the auction, yes.|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| nt|fabsayc: ie double says i want to bid 4s|pg|| pc|h6|nt|fabsayc: yes 5s|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|nt|kareno: Turns out to be expensive insurance.|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s6|nt|kit: If South has count on spade suit, will know not necessary to cash ace of clubs|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4ST5HAJ85DK8CAQ874,S64HKQT4DQJ952C93,SKJ98732H9732D4CT,SAQH6DAT763CKJ652|sv|b|mb|1D|an| |mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2S|mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|4D|mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|s2|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|h2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SK863H42DKQJT8CQJ,SQT2HQ8DA653CAT97,SJ54HAK3D742CK543,SA97HJT9765D9C862|sv|o|mb|1D!|an|unbal 5+!D or 4!D(441)|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = unbal 5+@D or 4@D(441)|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: auken does not have a good hand for system|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D = NF|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N would have been RELAY, FG|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2N would have been @D, INV+|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: South certainly hasn't got a hand to advance with.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: advance to the nearest exit?|pg|| nt|kareno: Well, they're in a fine contract.|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: i don't remember the last time [decade] i saw the uninterrupted auction 1@D-2@D-P|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the minors are back :)|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: in mid 1970s we played fun system [on friday night] Anti-Walsh 5-card minors, convenient majors etc|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it was very difficult for me to play the system -- i was the sober designated driver|pg|| nt|fabsayc: how did that work out|pg|| nt|kareno: I remember a discussion with the late, great Al Roth where I said that we have lost the club suit and now it looks like we're also losing the diamond suit with all the artificial ...|pg|| nt|kareno: bids. His response was blunt - 'Who gives a fuck about the diamond suit.' (direct quote)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other key feature -- mandatory RDBL|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|h7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|h3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: i heard a story that had one of the top NY players forced to play an event with his wife. OK - but you can only bid clubs, and raise me|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SK863H42DKQJT8CQJ,SQT2HQ8DA653CAT97,SJ54HAK3D742CK543,SA97HJT9765D9C862|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|c8|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|c3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c7|pc|s5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|c5|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SKJT97HAJ542D8CK4,SA643H3DQJ54CJ853,SHQT86DA9632CAQ62,SQ852HK97DKT7CT97|sv|n|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: they won the event - and forced to defend - she demanded the right to bid @D|pg|| mb|1D!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: they came in 2nd|pg|| mb|1N!|an|relay FG|nt|kareno: No doubt true. I had a friend in Texas whose boyfriend made HER play six-card majors|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D still unbal // 1N = RELAY, FG|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D|an| |mb|p|mb|2H|an| |nt|ahollan1: 2@C = a) 5+@D 4+@H b) 3-suiter|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|nt|ahollan1: welland just keeps asking without revealing anything about his hand|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: i can top that, Martin Hoffman in London had a client whose opening bids were all transfers, she was only allowed to make natural preempts|pg|| mb|2N!|mb|p|nt|kareno: Too funny|pg|| mb|3C!|nt|ahollan1: 2N = 1444 or 0454|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i don't know the bids after 2N|pg|| mb|4C!|mb|p|mb|4D!|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Slam in hearts isn't too bad - if @h k is onside it has a lot of play including ruffing finesses in spades.|pg|| pc|s5|nt|bjacobs: or it could be played on a cross ruff?|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|fabsayc: it will be now, hi bill|pg|| pc|s6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sK|nt|bjacobs: hi|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| nt|kareno: Bill :)|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|h8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|h2|mc|12|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SKJT97HAJ542D8CK4,SA643H3DQJ54CJ853,SHQT86DA9632CAQ62,SQ852HK97DKT7CT97|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|h8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|d2|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SK9762HJ72DA4CA83,ST5HAKQ93DKT76CK6,SAJ43HT8DQJ83C974,SQ8H654D952CQJT52|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|1H|mb|d!|an|4+!S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: DBL = 4+@S|pg|| mb|2S!|nt|ahollan1: finally an example to prove that 1@C can have ANY 5-card suit when BAL|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@S = 4/5@S BAL|pg|| nt|kareno: For what it's worth I'd prefer to be able to open 1 preemptive @s on the south hand in 3rd|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think rare examples where 4-fit unbal but awful hand|pg|| nt|kareno: But it's always interesting to watch Sabine and Roy bid hands|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: the first example of the 1c any balanced hand was the Roman club system|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: it worked surprisingly well|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and how did you like opening 1@H/@S with 3-card major?|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| nt|fabsayc: what shape would require that?|pg|| nt|kareno: Alan Messer of New York was known for opening 3 card majors :)|pg|| nt|kareno: And I had one very successful outing opening 1@s on three = long story for another day|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it actually was systemic in the Belladonna-Avarelli Roman Club|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s3|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d3|nt|ahollan1: part of their canape scheme|pg|| pc|d5|nt|fabsayc: only with 2-3-2-6 shape al|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d4|nt|bjacobs: this is one of those curious situations where it's best for West to sacrifice his diamond trick|pg|| nt|fabsayc: and even then they usually opened 1d unless the hearts very strong|pg|| nt|bjacobs: he gives up one diamond trick, but saves two|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SK9762HJ72DA4CA83,ST5HAKQ93DKT76CK6,SAJ43HT8DQJ83C974,SQ8H654D952CQJT52|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|s4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4S7HKJ7653D64CJ864,S3H98DKJT93CAT952,SAT865H42DA72CQ73,SKQJ942HAQTDQ85CK|sv|o|mb|1C|an|16+unbal or 17+bal|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1|pg|| nt|bjacobs: a little wimpish there|pg|| mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=16+unbal or 17+BAL|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D=5+suit, FG|pg|| nt|kareno: Agreed Bill|pg|| mb|p|nt|bjacobs: and it could cost, if it gives them room to navigate to 3NT|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3C|nt|bjacobs: tough bid for East coming up|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|nt|bjacobs: perhaps not ... now 3@H, then 3NT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: real @D support, rebiddable @S and @H that scream NT -- what's your poison?|pg|| nt|kareno: Maybe west can make a Western cue bid|pg|| nt|bjacobs: Western, Eastern, Northern or Southern, that's a 3@H bid|pg|| nt|kareno: Agreed Al. Wimpish actions on both sides|pg|| nt|ahollan1: wasn't a pure western cue showing partial stopper? or was it always asking for full stop??|pg|| nt|bjacobs: I'm sorry? 3@D seems very good to me|pg|| nt|kareno: I think in this case it asks for a stop.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|nt|kareno: And so does Eric Kokish|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@H = TAG - you're it|pg|| nt|kareno: Meaning 'do something intelligent'|pg|| mb|d!|nt|kareno: Penultimate hand. Thanks Al, our encyclopedia of systems, thanks Bill and Martin and thanks to our Operator.|pg|| mb|3S|nt|ahollan1: DBL = anti-lead i.e. i do NOT have a helping honor|pg|| nt|bjacobs: So this was the tough bid I was talking about before. Should East emphasize his spades, or bid 3NT?|pg|| nt|kareno: Gee, what was Fred waiting for?|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|nt|kareno: But why emphasize spades when partner has shown a minor two-suiter?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: whatever it was -- he's still waiting|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bjacobs: Here the anti lead double is rather helpful|pg|| pc|c6|nt|ahollan1: well he did protect his @H from attack on opening lead cough |pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: down 1 wins 2 imps probably not gitelman's goal at this point|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cQ|nt|bjacobs: this was a really interesting bidding deal ... the failure to pre-empt, the mis-evaluation of the game prospects, the anti-lead double|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h3|pc|c9|pc|s5|pg|| nt|bjacobs: in the other room, the pre-emptive 2@H killed E/W|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kareno: In this room they committed falo de se|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|hT|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d7|nt|bjacobs: what's that?|pg|| pc|s4|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|d8|nt|kareno: Suicide|pg|| pc|h5|mc|9|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4S7HKJ7653D64CJ864,S3H98DKJT93CAT952,SAT865H42DA72CQ73,SKQJ942HAQTDQ85CK|sv|o|mb|1C!|mb|2H|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h8|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|d5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d8|pc|h6|pc|d3|pc|dA|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|h7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|mc|9|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1S965HA87DAKQ932CK,STHKQ953DJ4CQJT43,SAJ42H62D5CA87652,SKQ873HJT4DT876C9|sv|n|nt|kareno: Corrected by spec - felo de se :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: another @Ckingleton opposite partner's Ace|pg|| nt|bjacobs: Yes, and perhaps another 3NT|pg|| mb|1D|an| |mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = unbal 5+@D or 4@D(441)|pg|| mb|d|mb|3H|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bjacobs: 3NT is certainly interesting on 3 rounds of hearts, but I rather think it will make|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|bjacobs: 2 rounds of hearts won by West, then a spade switch would be very evil|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h6|nt|kareno: Goodnight all - see you another tournament :)|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d5|nt|bjacobs: but this will cause little problem ... four rounds of diamonds, and East has no counter|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|c5|pc|d7|pg|| nt|bjacobs: also a killer|pg|| nt|bjacobs: sorry, private|pg|| nt|ahollan1: how devastating would trick 3 @C switch be?|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|d8|pg|| nt|bjacobs: I would say MODERATELY devastating|pg|| pc|d9|pc|c3|nt|bjacobs: and SUCH an obvious play to make :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: absolutely double dummy - but fuzzy mind wondered|pg|| pc|c7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c8|pg|| mc|9|nt|bjacobs: South made a very weird bid in the other room, which deservedly cost 13|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1S965HA87DAKQ932CK,STHKQ953DJ4CQJT43,SAJ42H62D5CA87652,SKQ873HJT4DT876C9|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|3H|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|h6|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s6|pc|c3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|cJ|pc|s4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|mc|9|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2ST83HKQ72D865CA62,SAK96HJTD94CKT985,SQ75HA9843DJTCQ73,SJ42H65DAKQ732CJ4|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: final board of the half|pg|| mb|1D|an|11-15 2+!D|mb|1H|mb|2D!|nt|ahollan1: last 16 of this match starts in 20 min [according to schedule]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 11-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|3D!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: seems inverted raise still on after overcall|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: inverted raise is 1-round force at least mild game invite|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|nt|ahollan1: in the other top bracket match Kranyak +5 over IsPolta|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|s9|pg|| mc|8|nt|ahollan1: restart scheduled for top of the hour|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2ST83HKQ72D865CA62,SAK96HJTD94CKT985,SQ75HA9843DJTCQ73,SJ42H65DAKQ732CJ4|sv|e|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|hJ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h3|pc|cJ|pc|h2|pc|s9|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|8|pg||