vg|2017 USBC USA2 FINAL,Segment 3 of 8,I,1,15,Diamond,52,Fleisher,88| rs|4SN+1,4SN+2,4SWx-2,5HN-2,3NS-2,1NN+2,5CE=,4CW+1,4SE+2,4SW+2,4SW=,3NN-3,4SE+1,4SE+1,2NW-1,3HS=,3NW+2,3NE+2,4HW-2,4HE+1,4SS=,4SS=,1NW=,1NW-2,2HE+1,2HE+1,4HE=,4HE+1,2HS=,2HS+1| pn|Platnick,Fleisher,Diamond,Martel,Moss,Hampson,Grue,Greco|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SQ7HA875DKQJ97C98,SKT8HT943DT42CQ73,SAJ9432HKJDA85CKJ,S65HQ62D63CAT6542|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfd: Welcome back to the USA2 final, segment 3 of 8. The winner goes to France in August as USA2 for the Bermuda Bowl|pg|| mb|1C|an|16+|mb|2C|mb|2D|an|5+!D, 8+|mb|3C|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+unbal or 17+BAL |pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D = 5+@D, FG|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|kit: Hi everybody|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Hi Kit|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|cJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|s3|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SQ7HA875DKQJ97C98,SKT8HT943DT42CQ73,SAJ9432HKJDA85CKJ,S65HQ62D63CAT6542|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4C|an|I'm about to make a slam try...|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4S|an|...in spades|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 16+unbal or 17+BAL |pg|| pc|h2|nt|ahollan2: 1@H = 12+, not primary @H or @s , maybe 5332 |pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@S = RELAY // 2@D = unbal, not sure what other info was passed|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: grue just asks without revealing anything about his hand|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|nt|ahollan2: greco DBL probably just made life easier for grue-moss|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c2|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dJ|mc|12|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SQ6H9642DKQJ65CAJ,SAT97542HDA874CQT,SK8HAQJT83DT2C652,SJ3HK75D93CK98743|sv|n|nt|vugraphzfd: Diamond and Platnick discuss what 4@C was. Diamond thought punt, but Platnick says it was a good 4@S bid|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|an|2+!D, 10-15|nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher touches the tray as it comes through the screen (possibly accidentally) and Platnick tells him not to do that|pg|| mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: all 3 pairs for diamond play a version of rm lite [aka meck lite]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 2+@D, at most 15 hcp|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: ns in the other room grue moss play [term from oren's video interview of brad moss] a hybrid|pg|| nt|ahollan1: grue-moss non-vul & 4th precision // vul 1/2/3 2/1|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d8|nt|ahollan1: warn me whether or no you want spoilers re: what happens at other table|pg|| nt|fabsayc: can ruff for down 2, is this obvious|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|nt|vugraphzfd: Platnick pulls out the @CA, puts it back|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|hQ|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dK|mc|8|nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher: "Good defense"|pg|| pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SQ6H9642DKQJ65CAJ,SAT97542HDA874CQT,SK8HAQJT83DT2C652,SJ3HK75D93CK98743|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|2H|nt|ahollan2: vul 1st/2nd/3rd NS play 2/1 with sound-ish openers|pg|| mb|d|an|!c|nt|ahollan2: non-vul & 4th = precision|pg|| mb|4H|nt|ahollan2: there is voice commentary for this table|pg|| mb|4S|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|sT|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|c5|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan2: warn me whether or no you want spoilers re: what happens at other table|pg|| pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SJ9652HJ42DAK6CQ4,SQT87HA9DQ2CT7632,SA4HKT65D985CAK95,SK3HQ873DJT743CJ8|sv|e|nt|vugraphzfd: Martel to Diamond: "You had the @HA?" Diamond laughs: "I had to have something"|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|an|2+!C, GF|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = FG, 2+@C|pg|| pc|c3|nt|fabsayc: no ninth trick in site, probably will try spades|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: we haven't been able to figure out what happened on 3 in other room thoughts include: thought he bid 2@C rather than 1N and did not see partner's bid and thought he opened 1N ...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: last -- damn lucky|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: He might have actually intended to bid 1NT|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|dK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: moss opening 1@S was (9)10-15 1N seems VERY deep if intentional|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: especially since in your interview of moss he stated they are opening fewer 9-counts than we've seen over the last 2 years|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: "in your interview" should say in Oren's interview"|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Well, I am he|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i am the walrus|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|d3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|sT|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SJ9652HJ42DAK6CQ4,SQT87HA9DQ2CT7632,SA4HKT65D985CAK95,SK3HQ873DJT743CJ8|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2 fleisher in 4@SX bid directly over platnick's precision 1@D|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@S at most 15 hcp|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ahollan2: i think grue was supposed to bid 2@C = RELAY, FG|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Greco is asking how heavy 1NT can be. I doubt he'll believe it's this heavy|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d8|pg|| nt|ahollan2: that would be true regardless of precision or 2/1|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|dK|pg|| nt|ritong: hi everyone|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i expected 2@C which is FG RELAY independent of vul/system|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|c7|pc|d5|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hJ|nt|ahollan2: interesting guess grue thought he OPENED 1N|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan2: in the bridgewinners vide interview by oren kriegel moss says they aren't opening as many 9-counts as they used to|pg|| pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S653H9875DQJ95CQ2,SAT8HQJ6DT63CJ854,SKJ72HAKT432D4CT7,SQ94HDAK872CAK963|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@H at most 15 hcp|pg|| nt|ahollan1: do you like DBL, 2@D or 2N opposite passed partner?|pg|| mb|d|nt|vugraphzfd: Double. Too suitable for spades for 2NT|pg|| mb|2H|an|weak raise|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: fwiw diamond's opener is limited, grue's was unlimited [since they play 2/1 vul 1st/2nd/3rd]|pg|| nt|fabsayc: Lebrensohl apply?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i actually listed the options for west in order of my preference :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: 2NT scrambling seems more likely. Could have bid last time with a hand that would want to show values now|pg|| nt|ahollan1: should 2N be lebensohl or scramble [i was asked]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think scramble since west has twice denied having values|pg|| mb|2N|an|"t/o" (aka scrambling I think)|nt|ahollan1: saying takeout is equivalent to scrambling -- i.e. expect 2 places to play|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Diamond asks if 3@C/3@D would show values, but I can't read Martel's response (bidding box in the way)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and should focus on minors since he did not bid 2@S|pg|| mb|3H|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: terrible game single dummy but makes on this layout|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: why terrible?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Terrible?|pg|| pc|h9|nt|ahollan1: on the auction i would think likely @C, @D and @S loser|pg|| nt|fabsayc: even if he has club loser, diamonds coult take care of all the spades, Al|pg|| nt|kit: I've certainly been in far worse|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: maybe my assumption of likely trump loser is wrong |pg|| pc|cK|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: re: slams hideous hog said you have to bid the bad ones that make, since so many good ones go down|pg|| nt|kit: Even if a trump loser, you aren't down yet by any means|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|h2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i hadn't thought about @D tricks taking care of TWO @S losers on @H lead|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| mc|11|nt|vugraphzfd: Martel: "it was a sound contract"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: at least i united people in a just cause [attack al]|pg|| pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S653H9875DQJ95CQ2,SAT8HQJ6DT63CJ854,SKJ72HAKT432D4CT7,SQ94HDAK872CAK963|sv|b|mb|p|nt|ritong: there must be some explanation|pg|| mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfv: well, they stayed out of a bad game|pg|| nt|ahollan2: unlimited 1@H|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: can't have been too bad a decision|pg|| nt|ahollan2: DBL, 2@D or 2N for greco??|pg|| nt|ritong: option3 id guess|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: I like 2N then double on the next round with a likely heart bid by the opponents|pg|| nt|ritong: that s the plan, yes|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan2: i'm not sure if partner being passed hand affects the decision|pg|| nt|ritong: it somehow does since he does not hold a @s w2|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ritong: argh plan failed|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|nt|ritong: or not|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: would you reopen with south hand?|pg|| mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|nt|runnerup: hi very risky choice to bid..seeing ew can make a lot |pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|d3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|cJ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ritong: for that matter, it is a bit surprising to see hampson avoid a 3NT try|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S86HKJ64DQ53C9632,SAJ9543H3D9862CAK,SKQHA852DJT74CJ87,ST72HQT97DAKCQT54|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C|an|2+!C|mb|p|mb|1H|an|spades|nt|kit: Interesting that North didn't open 1@D in their Precision style.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+ // 1@H = 4+@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: ach 1@H = 4+@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@S = a) 2/3@S, BAL, min b) 3(14)5 c) 4@S, bad hand|pg|| pc|c2|nt|ahollan1: fleisher limited by failure to make strong jump shift of 2@S|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|s3|pc|h5|pg|| nt|fabsayc: how do you rate this slam|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|s7|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|s4|pc|h2|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Decent on a non-heart lead?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Rather, uh, poor on a heart lead|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|sT|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|s5|pc|h8|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S86HKJ64DQ53C9632,SAJ9543H3D9862CAK,SKQHA852DJT74CJ87,ST72HQT97DAKCQT54|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|runnerup: yes why not ..you have actually quite nice cards in that seqvense|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Hampson: I had a marginal 4@c bid, but when he takes five minutes to bid 2NT I feel like I have to|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ritong: ah|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 3 3N was down 2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Hampson is one of the most ethical high-level players I know - he worries about these things a lot. |pg|| pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|s3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|s2|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|s4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|sT|pc|s8|pg|| mc|12|nt|ahollan2: fwiw on 4 martel chose DBL where greco bid 2N with 3055|pg|| nt|runnerup: i think south would have had a lead against slam but 12 here|pg|| nt|runnerup: north|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Yes, Moss did underruff to speed up play :)|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S32HJ9752DKCKQJ62,SJT954HTDT7542CA3,SK7HKDAQJ963C9875,SAQ86HAQ8643D8CT4|sv|e|mb|2H|an|Flannery|mb|p|mb|3S|an|mixed raise|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 11-15(16) 4@S 5/6@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@S mixed raise|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|nt|fabsayc: where is Roland to see this F-word triumph|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Flannery is enjoying a Renaissance among top standard pairs|pg|| nt|ahollan1: roland is doing voice commentary of closed room and did qualify that he "hates to say it, but" then credited the convention|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher-Martel, Hamman-Bramley, Levin-Weinstein, Katz-Nickell, Dwyer-Lee (an infrequent partnership from this event)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Just to name a few off the top of my head|pg|| nt|ahollan1: welland-auken, boyd-robinson|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but i don't think nickell-katz|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Katz-Nickell definitely play it. Recent development|pg|| nt|ahollan1: wow i missed that big change|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|s9|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|mc|10|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S32HJ9752DKCKQJ62,SJT954HTDT7542CA3,SK7HKDAQJ963C9875,SAQ86HAQ8643D8CT4|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3C|nt|Vugraphzfv: Some specs are mentioning that Hampson was using unauthorized information on the previous board, and that he shouldn't. That's not quite true.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: The ethical player will take the action contraindicated by partner's UI. Here, that's 4@c.|pg|| nt|runnerup: down -3 but 650 ew|pg|| pc|s6|nt|runnerup: now 10|pg|| nt|runnerup: 100|pg|| nt|runnerup: some would double |pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h8|pc|s3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|nt|Vugraphzfv: Grue: Four to one. So far so good.|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 4 martel-fleisher reach 5@C|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|cJ|pc|s4|pc|d3|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1S65HQT95D9432CQT3,S874HAJ83DKJ875CA,SKQ9H72DAT6C98754,SAJT32HK64DQCKJ62|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|an|5+!D or 4441|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|an|3 spades, 5 diamonds|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = unbal so tranfer rebids // 2@D= 3-fit, 11-14|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|hK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|s7|pc|c9|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|cJ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1S65HQT95D9432CQT3,S874HAJ83DKJ875CA,SKQ9H72DAT6C98754,SAJT32HK64DQCKJ62|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|Vugraphzfv: Grue: "Even if you bid it" [4@s] "you're only getting 300. We're not defending."|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h9|nt|runnerup: 650 no matter how you play it ,,but ,,we'll wait|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 4 5@C did make|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|h6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|s8|pc|c4|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@D = (10)11-15, 2+@D // 1@S = not 4+@H unless FG|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SK95HAJT32DK84CQ3,ST43HKQ4DJ73CAT85,S62H876DAQT2CJ964,SAQJ87H95D965CK72|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2H|nt|kit: somewhat difficult problem for West here|pg|| mb|2N|an|natural|nt|kit: I gues this is a reasonable compromise between 2@S and 3@H|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: I'm a little suprised they don't play 2NT as a raise here|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: By a passed hand, what would be the purpose?|pg|| pc|h6|nt|vugraphzfd: You could distinguish 3 from 4-card support, for instance|pg|| nt|kit: who would care|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Diamond asks what Fleisher's upper limit is|pg|| nt|kit: Much more important to deal with hands which are natural NT calls.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Told he would open most 11s. "Not as aggressive as you guys, but close"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: anyone else shocked to here Kit being so blasphemous re: potential law of total trump conventions???|pg|| nt|fabsayc: shocking|pg|| nt|kit: what does total tricks have to do with it when you are always going to the 3-level anyway?|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: thinking more from partner's perspective about when to or not to compete|pg|| nt|kit: And if you are going to the 4-level, it is because you are bidding to make, not because you have x nuber of trumps|pg|| nt|fabsayc: we are more concerned who takes the push to 4 level|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ok that last line shoots down my line of thinking|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dA|mc|7|nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher: "Well done. What were your clubs, Brian?"|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SK95HAJT32DK84CQ3,ST43HKQ4DJ73CAT85,S62H876DAQT2CJ964,SAQJ87H95D965CK72|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: voice commentary mentioning that in the next "cycle" greco-hampson are joining team fleisher|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|nt|ahollan2: this was mentioned on www.bridgewinners.com in oren kriegel video interview of geoff hampson|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| nt|ahollan2: oren has been busy interviewing when not doing great job as vugraph operator|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|runnerup: 2@s makeable ,,needs guess not to finess @s's ,,this -1 |pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 6 martel-fleisher reach 4@S|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: roland already knows so i can say martel opened flannery 2@H to show 4@S 5/6@H|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d4|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Moss can now make by disdaining the second heart finesse and just play @hA and three more rounds of diamonds|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h9|nt|Vugraphzfv: After a long tank as to what to do after leading a heart, Moss decides to play one just in case the @hK pops and solves his problem|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: He's back in the tank|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfv: Well done Brad|pg|| pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SJ83HA963DT96C953,S974HKQT2DJ74CAK2,SAT2HJ854D52CJT64,SKQ65H7DAKQ83CQ87|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|an|unbalanced|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: thru 8 women usa2 final [segment 7 of 8] jenkins +68 over disa|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D unbal|pg|| mb|2C!|an|art GF|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = 4th suit, FG|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = default a) 5/6@D b) no better bid denies 3@H|pg|| nt|fabsayc: now 3@C?|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|fabsayc: he has extras, 3nt kind of final|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzfd: If anyone remembers the discussion about Martel's newspaper from last segment, I asked him. It's USA Today. "What the hotel had"|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s7|mc|11|nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher: "I'm going to speed this up" (claims) Platnick: "Well sped"|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SJ83HA963DT96C953,S974HKQT2DJ74CAK2,SAT2HJ854D52CJT64,SKQ65H7DAKQ83CQ87|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C|an|strong|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|12-13 or 16+ balanced no 5c suit|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: sorry 1@C = 16+unbal or 17+BAL // 2@H = BAL, 12-13 or 16+|pg|| mb|3C!|an|staymanish|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|ahollan2: i think original was 2@H = 14+bal and 2N 12-13 i disliked that even before seeing the option of split range for 2@H|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i just thought too many hands where you prefer 1@C opener to declare NT rather than 12-13 hand|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 2@H does not have 5-card suit|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|an|shows four spades|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: but now that 4@hs are known decision is easier|pg|| pc|d9|nt|ritong: i was a bit worried for them, although 5@d is a make too|pg|| nt|runnerup: 660 |pg|| nt|runnerup: both M aces on|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| mc|11|nt|Vugraphzfv: Greco asks if the heart jack falls|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4S62H84DA9752CK843,SATHAKJ72DKQ64CT2,SJ8753H95D8CAJ975,SKQ94HQT63DJT3CQ6|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: only 3.5 boards behind|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@H usually not 4@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = Reverse Drury, reasonable 9+|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: routine 4@H, which will be down a couple after the stiff diamond lead.|pg|| pc|d8|nt|vugraphzfd: The strog club in the other room sided this one luckily|pg|| nt|kit: Only danter is that South plays his partner for a doubleton diamond and the ace of hearts and ducks, but I don't think that will happen.|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: does anyone who plays Drury NOT play Reverse Drury? [where 2M rebid = worst hand]|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|h9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4S62H84DA9752CK843,SATHAKJ72DKQ64CT2,SJ8753H95D8CAJ975,SKQ94HQT63DJT3CQ6|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: Brad is laughing about what a bad play his diamond continuation was|pg|| mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1H!|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ritong: uh oh|pg|| nt|runnerup: 4@h bepends on lead|pg|| nt|ritong: danger looming around|pg|| mb|2C!|nt|ritong: good|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|an|5!h|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d2|nt|Vugraphzfv: that's a lucky rightsiding|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| nt|runnerup: 1 trick better|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d5|pc|c2|pc|s7|pg|| mc|11|nt|ritong: by danger, i meant ending in 3NT|pg|| pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1S972HAT72DAQ2CAJ2,SQJ8HQ84D9764CKT6,SAKT643H96DK3C843,S5HKJ53DJT85CQ975|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher: "We had to play 3NT on no club lead." (Or play 4@H from East like in the other room)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Platnick: "Way to watch my spot cards, Diamond." Diamond snorts: "The deuce?"|pg|| mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Sorry about that, table crashed. Been having internet problems this week|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c5|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pg|| mc|10|nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher: "I had high hopes when you played the @CQ." They joke around for a while|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1S972HAT72DAQ2CAJ2,SQJ8HQ84D9764CKT6,SAKT643H96DK3C843,S5HKJ53DJT85CQ975|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfv: Moss found the right suit but not the right card|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|4H!|an|!s|mb|p|nt|runnerup: @c lead makes it so much easyer|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|runnerup: David not here|pg|| pc|d6|nt|runnerup: he can always|pg|| pc|dK|nt|runnerup: ..so 10|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s7|nt|runnerup: no you take top @s's|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c7|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|h3|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Hampson asks declarer what his carding in the trump suit means|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| nt|ritong: brad might answer " i m trying to fool myself"|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Brad tells H/G he's playing for overtricks|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|h6|pc|d5|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|s4|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SQ875HT64DQ93CA32,SAJ2HKQ95DK54CK65,SK63HAJ3DAJT8C984,ST94H872D762CQJT7|sv|n|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c9|nt|ahollan1: 14-16|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|d4|pg|| nt|fabsayc: so much for speeding things up|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Diamond looks at the clock. 28 minutes|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher lowers the screen to whisper something to Platnick. Platnick answers but 30 seconds later he lowers it again to say something else|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher to Diamond: "Still your play" Diamond: "I know"|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|s7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|hT|nt|fabsayc: heart 10??|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher looks at @H10: "Hmm!"|pg|| pc|h5|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pc|h8|mc|7|nt|fabsayc: amazing|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Platnick: "Sorry. You were giving suit preference on the second club." Diamond: "I thought it was count, sorry"|pg|| pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SQ875HT64DQ93CA32,SAJ2HKQ95DK54CK65,SK63HAJ3DAJT8C984,ST94H872D762CQJT7|sv|n|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Hampson asks about Smith; they play only suit preference|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|nt|ahollan2: thru 8 women usa2 final [segment 7 of 8] jenkins +68 over disa|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|ritong: al, do EW next room use big @c too?|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c7|nt|ritong: it s about board 10|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ahollan2: no matel-fleisher 1@C=2+ 1@D=unbal|pg|| nt|ritong: ok then 13 away for sure|pg|| nt|ritong: when they will open 1@h and go down 2|pg|| nt|ritong: down 1 or down 2 making no difference|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Hampson jokes by telling G/M he's playing for overtricks as well. They don't believe him for a second.|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ahollan2: sorry about the delay Henri other me was typing in other room|pg|| nt|ritong: nevermind, buddy i know you love to walk around these virtual rooms|pg|| nt|ahollan2: that kind of running around is the only exercise i get|pg|| nt|ritong: i won t say "it shows":)|pg|| nt|ahollan2: even if it does ")|pg|| nt|ahollan2: :)|pg|| nt|ahollan2: make that :(|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dT|pc|cQ|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|h9|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SJ4HAQJTDK94C8732,SK875H862DAJCQT65,SQT632H4D872CAJ94,SA9HK9753DQT653CK|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@H tends to deny 4@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: fleisher will not respond 1@S since that shows either 5+@S or good 4@S willing to hear partner raise w/3-fit|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 1nt?|pg|| mb|2H|an|slightly constructive|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: you always worry about/hate your decision with west hand until final result is in|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: then the uncertainty is gone, but not necessarily the hate|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|h2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s9|pg|| pc|h8|pc|s2|mc|9|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SJ4HAQJTDK94C8732,SK875H862DAJCQT65,SQT632H4D872CAJ94,SA9HK9753DQT653CK|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|an|constructive|mb|p|nt|ritong: i m a wimp i would simple (constructive) raise|pg|| nt|ritong: good boy, geoff|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 2@H constructive|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: @Ckingleton definitely the most common kingleton from schaumburg this past how many dayz??|pg|| nt|ritong: brad would like to have them higher|pg|| nt|ritong: but...|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: Henri - were you asking about 10?? fleisher-martel just had drury auction to 4@H|pg|| nt|ahollan2: by WEST so lead = singleton @D|pg|| nt|ritong: no wonder 13 away it s sealed|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Greco: It's hard to imagine going down on this hand|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|sK|pc|d8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SA8643H3DQJ6CK765,S2HQ9542DAK5CQT82,SK9HK86D9842CJ943,SQJT75HAJT7DT73CA|sv|o|nt|ritong: now the possible interesting tech bid|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|semiforcing|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: another semi-forcing 1N|pg|| mb|2H|nt|ritong: i.e. how to proceed to show a max hand with a fit for secvond suit|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3N = @H with short @S |pg|| nt|ahollan1: is that right call here?|pg|| nt|ritong: i d prefer 4@d when it takes a perfect fitting hand for the slam|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: both went quietly sigh|pg|| nt|ahollan1: or 4@D = @H, concentration in @D|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|fabsayc: the swiss raise|pg|| nt|ritong: not that bidding slam is in order was just curious about their agreements|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: Fleisher: "I thought it was more likely to go down in for than find the perfect hand for slam"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: just never get a chance to describe those options - so i took the opportunity|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|d5|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c4|pc|h7|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|mc|10|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SA8643H3DQJ6CK765,S2HQ9542DAK5CQT82,SK9HK86D9842CJ943,SQJT75HAJT7DT73CA|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1N = semi-force|pg|| nt|ritong: difficult now|pg|| nt|ritong: even with strong @c az slam is far from out of the question|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: geoff takes his usual practical path|pg|| nt|ahollan2: Roland hates that phrase so i should mention that it was used in 1967 issue of Bridge World that i'm reading|pg|| nt|runnerup: 4 will make in table |pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|runnerup: no over tricks in table i would say|pg|| nt|ritong: perhaps there is some to be said about 1@s 1NT 2@h 4m|pg|| nt|ritong: without agreement, sounds like a splinter|pg|| nt|ritong: however, it looks remote to have at the same time short @s, short m so maybe it would be more useful to use it with a mega @h fit, @s short and concentration of strength in the ...|pg|| nt|ritong: bid suit|pg|| nt|ahollan2: re: what henri was mentioning i do know that martel-fleisher play 1@S-1N//2@H-4m as @H raise, concentration of values [rather than splinter]|pg|| nt|ritong: sounds clever to me (surprise:)|pg|| nt|ahollan2: since responder won't have @S length seems to me splinter in minor less likely than also unlikely martel-fleisher treatment|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|d5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|h5|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s6|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SHAKT954DK875CJ85,SQT85H76DAT4CAQ96,SAJ7632H82DQ96C32,SK94HQJ3DJ32CKT74|sv|n|nt|vugraphzfd: Last board of the set here. Back in 20 minutes for the next segment|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s8|nt|ahollan1: last board of the set open segment 4 of 8 and women last set of USA2 fnal starts in 25 min|pg|| nt|vugraphzfd: 20 minutes. 6:10|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thanks Oren 10 min after the hour|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|h5|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|dT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SHAKT954DK875CJ85,SQT85H76DAT4CAQ96,SAJ7632H82DQ96C32,SK94HQJ3DJ32CKT74|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfv: Moss: "Good play, Joe."|pg|| nt|ahollan2: other table trying to finish 12|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|nt|ahollan2: this is last board for segment 3 of 8|pg|| mb|1S|nt|runnerup: yes tx all to bed now 1.30 and working day ,,bye|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ritong: bye|pg|| nt|ritong: i m not sure it is useful to jam it up here|pg|| nt|ritong: 2@h should be enough|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: last set of the day 4 of 8 for open 8 of 8 for woment starts in about 40 min|pg|| mb|p|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|c6|pc|s2|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg|| mc|9|nt|ritong: all right let s move to the next door|pg|| nt|ritong: merci a tous see you all soon|pg|| nt|ahollan2: other room bidding 13|pg|| pg||