vg|A 2017 Vanderbilt QF,1 of 4,I,1,15,Lavazza,0,Cayne,0| rs|3NN-3,3NN-3,4SE-3,2SE-1,2SS+1,3NS=,3NS+1,3NS+1,3NW=,3NW+1,6SSx-4,4SSx-1,2HN-1,2HN-1,4SE+2,4HE+1,4SS+1,4SS+1,4SN-1,4SN-1,2SW+1,4SE-1,4HW-1,4HW-1,4SE+1,4SE+1,5DE=,6DE-1,2HE=,3DW=| pn|Madala,Versace,Bianchedi,Lauria,Donati,Sementa,Tokay,Bocchi|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3S7HT986DT975CAJ96,SQJ864HQ3DA632C53,SAT2HAJ4DKJ8CKQT2,SK953HK752DQ4C874|sv|o|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = BAL, 18019|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = 4+@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = not 4-fit|pg|| mb|3S!|mb|d|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@S does not match any notes i have|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s9|nt|ahollan1: i'm sure that 3@S says exactly 4@H just not sure why madala forces to game|pg|| pc|h8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s8|nt|Psyck: Sort of similar auction in other room too|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3S7HT986DT975CAJ96,SQJ864HQ3DA632C53,SAT2HAJ4DKJ8CKQT2,SK953HK752DQ4C874|sv|o|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|d|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sJ|nt|pilogen: ­North's 3@H denies majors|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4S8HJT6DK7543CAJT8,SQJ752HA5DT86C432,ST43HK984DAJ2CK96,SAK96HQ732DQ9CQ75|sv|n|mb|1C!|mb|1D|mb|1H|an|!|nt|athene: hi good afternoon everyone|pg|| mb|d|mb|3S|nt|ahollan1: tokay opened 2@D to show BAL 18-19 on 1|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+@C|pg|| mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 4/5@S|pg|| nt|Luffe12: This looks high enough|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|hK|nt|Luffe12: -3 seems to be the kick off standard|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| nt|Psyck: Maybe he pulled out 3@s instead of 2@s by mistake :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i was looking at wrong set of notes|pg|| nt|Luffe12: Or put a diamond amongst the clubs by error ;)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oops 1@H = 5+@S|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| nt|Luffe12: WD |pg|| nt|ahollan1: bocchi in 2@S auction in other room shows opening 2@S-end :)|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: good news for 4@S == other room down in 2 :)|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dK|nt|Luffe12: Looks like a shortcut - bidding seems unlikely|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|Psyck: Yes operator must have missed the first round on bidding in other room|pg|| nt|ahollan1: does anyone know age of giovanni donati? teenager playing south in other room|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4S8HJT6DK7543CAJT8,SQJ752HA5DT86C432,ST43HK984DAJ2CK96,SAK96HQ732DQ9CQ75|sv|n|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: hi good afternoon everyone|pg|| nt|pilogen: This is not the bidding obviously, jsut the final contract|pg|| nt|pilogen: Hi William|pg|| nt|athene: if east is really declarer i assume he opened 1@C and there was a transfer response|pg|| nt|pilogen: They do play transfer responses to 1@C|pg|| nt|athene: always a good result if you're allowed to play at the 2-level in your 9-card fit|pg|| nt|athene: (unless you missed game, of course)|pg|| nt|athene: NS could have made a lot of tricks but they don't have that many values...maybe NV they would have put up more of a fight :)|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|pilogen: South has a very marginal 1@D overcall|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SQ83HT87DAJ852C53,S9HAKQ2DKQT974CJ7,SAKJ6HJ964DCAKQT2,ST7542H53D63C9864|sv|e|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: no live video but tables are being recorded for later upload to youtube|pg|| mb|1D|nt|Luffe12: 20'ish|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+|pg|| mb|1N|mb|2H|mb|d|nt|Psyck: 18ish maybe|pg|| nt|ahollan1: guesses range from 17-20 with most common answer 18|pg|| mb|p|nt|Psyck: Google told me 18ish :)|pg|| nt|Luffe12: Fine|pg|| nt|ahollan1: aha http://www.infobridge.it/Campioni_DonatiG.htm born 1998 Aug 05 [anniversary of day i got out of the navy]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: often Italian DBL = extras|pg|| nt|Luffe12: Versace likes to bid|pg|| nt|ahollan1: who at this table does not like to bid??|pg|| nt|Psyck: well he has a nice enough hand here|pg|| nt|Luffe12: Pass is also a bid|pg|| nt|Luffe12: If I was promted = 2@d|pg|| nt|ahollan1: purists say PASS is a call rather than a bid and i wish i didn't think to type that|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|Psyck: South can pass even if the dbl not strictly penalty|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i like that remark CK|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s9|nt|ahollan1: do NS have different expectations of values for 1N by passed hand?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: tokay rebid 3N after sementa 2@D rather than 2@H|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|mc|9|nt|Psyck: The overly agressive 2@h worked this time|pg|| pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SQ83HT87DAJ852C53,S9HAKQ2DKQT974CJ7,SAKJ6HJ964DCAKQT2,ST7542H53D63C9864|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|athene: seems like an auto 1NT from south|pg|| nt|athene: now west might just go (relatively) quitely with 2@D|pg|| mb|2D|nt|athene: *quietly|pg|| nt|athene: i think you just bid 3NT with north now|pg|| nt|athene: he might be considering a second double, perhaps|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dK|pc|c2|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg|| nt|athene: ok, that play from declarer tells Sementa quite a lot|pg|| nt|athene: if declarer were missing the @SQ he would never have done that |pg|| nt|pilogen: Declarer must have every HCP missing anway|pg|| nt|athene: if declarer were missing the @SQ he would win the @DA there and maybe take a spade finesse|pg|| nt|athene: but would never duck because west could just go @HKQ and another pinning him on table|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c3|pg|| nt|athene: and when declarer throws a club he basically is saying he doesn't need the clubs to come in|pg|| nt|athene: so it's all bad news for West :)|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SAQ85HAJ862DQ6C65,S2HQT9743DJT9C983,S63H5DAK8754CKQT2,SKJT974HKD32CAJ74|sv|b|mb|p|nt|Psyck: operator - a pass missing|pg|| mb|1D!|nt|Luffe12: Undo|pg|| nt|ahollan1: voices in my head asking: 1) if madala had made in-tempo PASS of 2nd DBL, what does versace do? 2) if 2@HX is final contract what is final result|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: thanks Kate|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = unbal a) 5+@D b) 4@D441@C/@S|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = 5+@H i think 11+ hcp|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|c7|pc|h2|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s4|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d7|pc|s7|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|hK|pc|s5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|h7|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ady: hi all|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|mc|10|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SAQ85HAJ862DQ6C65,S2HQT9743DJT9C983,S63H5DAK8754CKQT2,SKJT974HKD32CAJ74|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|athene: 2@C = hearts i assume|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: using the lowest available bid for the most important suit |pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|nt|pilogen: I think 2@C is just GF|pg|| nt|athene: just a random game-force? ok|pg|| pc|s3|nt|ahollan2: they play switch of 2@C and 2@H after 1@S overcall|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|athene: declarer will be thinking whether he can overcome a 4-1 diamond break|pg|| nt|ahollan2: so 2@C=@H and 2@H=@C|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dJ|nt|pilogen: Ok|pg|| pc|d4|nt|athene: right, that's what i thought|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|nt|pilogen: Without comp it's just GF|pg|| nt|athene: useful to be able to show 5+ hearts without going past 2@D|pg|| pc|c7|pc|h2|pc|dT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|h3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|c8|pc|h5|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SQJ432H9432D74C42,SAK85HAQ765DKJ65C,STHKTDAQ983CJ9763,S976HJ8DT2CAKQT85|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|nt|Luffe12: Misfit alert|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|d|nt|Psyck: 3N will do fine on this misfit as @hK well placed|pg|| mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+@C but natural responses|pg|| nt|ady: but will end up in game somewhere|pg|| nt|ahollan1: tokay opened north hand|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Psyck: 2@s, 4@h, 1@d, 3@c tricks possible as cards are|pg|| pc|d9|nt|ady: 2nd entry now|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|nt|Psyck: won't get all that many @h now, will prob play @h from dummy after 3 @c|pg|| pc|s5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|s8|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry i should have mentioned that 2@D did NOT promise @D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it was a multi-purpose 1-round force|pg|| nt|ady: tricky hand declarer in CR cashed third club and discarded a heart then ace and king of spades and then a low heart|pg|| nt|Psyck: Other room play was probably easier as North opened the bidding, not likely to be played same here|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hK|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| nt|Psyck: plays the @h before the 3rd @c as nothing much to discard in hand on 3rd @c|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d3|pc|c5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h7|pc|d8|pc|c8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SQJ432H9432D74C42,SAK85HAQ765DKJ65C,STHKTDAQ983CJ9763,S976HJ8DT2CAKQT85|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = 4+@D|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: i believe NS play exact same system as lauria-versace|pg|| mb|3C|nt|athene: quite common to play transfers here so 2@D = hearts |pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|nt|athene: well, there's a dummy entry right there :)|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i have old note that says 2@D was RELAY just asking for more info|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| nt|athene: however, it isn't such a huge gift because he could always have used the @HJ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|s5|nt|ahollan2: i have new note that says bocchi-sementa are making many changes to system|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|athene: Bocchi likes to tinker|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|s8|pc|c6|pg|| nt|athene: he gets bored if he plays the same system all the way from board 1 of a set to board 15 :)|pg|| nt|ahollan2: bianchedi did not open north hand|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|s3|pc|h7|pc|c7|pg|| nt|ahollan2: but did show @D values via 3rd round DBL|pg|| nt|ahollan2: versace in 3N on lead of @D9|pg|| nt|athene: cashing the clubs right off was not completely a no-brainer|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c9|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h5|nt|athene: because a) it forces you to discard a potential red winner|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| nt|athene: and b) when north gets in he might sometimes be able to cash the @CJ and put you to another tricky discard|pg|| pc|cT|mc|10|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SAKJ87HQDKT973C63,SHKJ873D852CAKQJ2,ST9642HT5DQJ6CT97,SQ53HA9642DA4C854|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2S|nt|ady: looks like 6 hearts makes e/w|pg|| nt|Psyck: an overtrick|pg|| mb|3S|nt|warrens: 7. -100 is a great score for N/S|pg|| mb|d|nt|ady: in fact 7 hearts diamond goes on clubs|pg|| mb|4S|nt|Psyck: Other room East even knew of likely @s void opposite as North bid 4@s and not 3@s|pg|| nt|ady: 1@S south in OR 2@S by west 4 spades north double east all pass|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|ady: in CR sofry|pg|| mb|6H|nt|ady: sorry|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: sorry i should mention 2@S = 5+@H and 5+@C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in other room 2@S bidder could have held either minor|pg|| nt|Psyck: OK, Ghestem style for specific 2 suiter overcalls then|pg|| nt|ady: 6 spades a save not likely e/w will bid 7 hearts|pg|| mb|6S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|ady: that has cut the loss|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d4|mc|9|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SAKJ87HQDKT973C63,SHKJ873D852CAKQJ2,ST9642HT5DQJ6CT97,SQ53HA9642DA4C854|sv|e|nt|athene: but Sementa has managed it pretty well|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2S|mb|4S|nt|ahollan2: 2@S = @H & @C/@D|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|s7|pg|| nt|athene: i would expect Bocchi's double to be very much penalties rather than "cards", given West's bid|pg|| pc|sA|pc|c2|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hQ|nt|athene: in which case it's a bit surprising with ace to seven hearts|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SQ76HKJ5DA532C952,SAJTH42DJT76CJT74,SK52HAT986DK4CQ86,S9843HQ73DQ98CAK3|sv|b|nt|warrens: this is a good play by Lauria, forcing declarer to take the @S finesse at once |pg|| nt|warrens: declarer had no other entry to dummy, but he got it right and finessed Lauria for the @S queen. in theory, he might have done it from |pg|| nt|warrens: xx, Axxxx, Axx, xxx|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| nt|warrens: this depends on the trump finesse. is there any inference that East has 3 @H's because he didn't balance? it's pretty marginal, but it's something|pg|| nt|ahollan1: a bit surprised madala did not use 2@C=Drury, 3+fit|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|h6|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: can versace reduce to 3-Jacks?|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s9|nt|Psyck: Should Versace have played 4th @d instead of 3rd @c?|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h3|mc|7|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SQ76HKJ5DA532C952,SAJTH42DJT76CJT74,SK52HAT986DK4CQ86,S9843HQ73DQ98CAK3|sv|b|nt|athene: (when partner bids 2@S over 1@S, then @HAxxxx is pretty much like ace to seven :))|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2@C = Drury, usually 3-fit|pg|| nt|athene: of course, you try not to "trust" the opponents' bidding more than you have to|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|athene: but i think on that last hand it would not be unreasonable to assume west is short (very short) in spades, and take a shot at 5@H|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| nt|athene: even when it's going down, sometimes they bid 5@S - you know they are very short in hearts and they don't know if you have side shape as well, to go with your monster trump fit|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cK|mc|7|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SKH976DA876CK9842,SJT54HJ85DQTCAQ63,SQ73H4DJ95432CT75,SA9862HAKQT32DKCJ|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: drury 3+fit|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: versace did have other options with some 4-fit, so assumption is that 2@C is usually 3-fit|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|nt|ahollan1: i'm not sure if 2@S was game invite or game force|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d6|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SKH976DA876CK9842,SJT54HJ85DQTCAQ63,SQ73H4DJ95432CT75,SA9862HAKQT32DKCJ|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|ahollan2: 2N is another system change i think they used to play it showed 4-fit with short @C [1-under mini-splinter]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 6 [4@SXS-1] lauria-versace bid up to 6@H bianchedi saved so madala in 6@SX|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|h2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|d3|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SKJT54HTDAKQCAJT4,SA6HKJ743D43C9863,S932HA952DJT96CK2,SQ87HQ86D8752CQ75|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: another possible drury hand |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ady: diamond dissappeared on hearts|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: neither north chose drury but i wager if @CK and @Sx swapped then both would respond 2@C|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s8|nt|ady: thats it|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SKJT54HTDAKQCAJT4,SA6HKJ743D43C9863,S932HA952DJT96CK2,SQ87HQ86D8752CQ75|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|nt|ahollan2: north hand looks very close to Drury response|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ahollan2: btw on 7 madala did NOT use drury where donati did|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c5|nt|athene: some might wonder why declarer didn't finesse spades|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|nt|athene: but if you cross to the @HA you give the defence a suit to force you, which might prove a problem if trumps break badly|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SK65HJ962D32CAK95,SQHK873DQ865C7432,SA8742HTDKJ9CQJT8,SJT93HAQ54DAT74C6|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+@D|pg|| mb|2H|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: all QF matches are on vugraph - but playing different set of boards|pg|| nt|ady: bad trump break scuppers 4 spades apart from needing some good fortune with diamonds|pg|| mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: @S were 3-2 in the other room|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: [heavy sarcasm]|pg|| pc|c6|nt|ady: not convinced north has enough extra to go to game|pg|| nt|ahollan1: aren't all vulnerable invitations game forcing?|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dJ|nt|ady: you can often gain by staying out of odds against games|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SK65HJ962D32CAK95,SQHK873DQ865C7432,SA8742HTDKJ9CQJT8,SJT93HAQ54DAT74C6|sv|b|nt|athene: declarer just wants to get the trumps drawn ASAP|pg|| mb|1D|nt|athene: and it is surprising how often there is a drawback to using a control card to cross to dummy|pg|| mb|d|mb|3D|nt|athene: 4@S from north now i guess|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: even with the @DKJx not really pulling their weight facing shortness|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s5|pc|d5|pc|sA|mc|9|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SQTHJ62DKT4CQ9753,S743HADAJ985CKT64,SA82HQ743DQ72CAJ8,SKJ965HKT985D63C2|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=4+@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 4+@H 5+@S, 5-9 HCP|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: aka reverse flannery|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sT|nt|ady: here the more conservative pair will gain|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sementa was supposed to have 4@S or 3@S with 14/15|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|c3|pc|s7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SQTHJ62DKT4CQ9753,S743HADAJ985CKT64,SA82HQ743DQ72CAJ8,SKJ965HKT985D63C2|sv|o|nt|athene: not a game you mind being in when vulnerable; very likely to be flat|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = unbal a) 5+@D b) 4@D441@C/@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| nt|athene: what now for north? kill entry to diamonds (heart) or kill heart ruffs (spade)?|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i thought 2@S raise with 3 only when 14/15 otherwise 4-fit|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| nt|athene: ouch|pg|| nt|athene: you would normally lead a low spade from north's hand but he obviously decided for some reason that it was vitally important to draw two rounds fast|pg|| nt|pilogen: But now he can make|pg|| nt|pilogen: By guessing @Ds|pg|| nt|athene: there is still a lot of play left|pg|| nt|athene: for example if declarer leads a low diamond south must insert the king to try to disrupt his entries|pg|| nt|ahollan2: counting this one only 50 boards remain|pg|| nt|pilogen: But that's such a standard play that he will still guess the position, probably|pg|| nt|athene: suppose declarer simply drew trumps and led a diamond - south plays the king and now declarer is just stuck|pg|| nt|athene: it doesn't matter if he reads the position|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| nt|athene: he has to set up hearts and ruff the @CA away to throw a diamond on the @CK i think|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|s6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|s7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|s9|pc|c7|pg|| nt|athene: he could never set up diamonds because the defence just return a heart when they win a diamond, and there's no entry to the suit|pg|| nt|athene: but now he can't get to his hearts|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|c9|pc|d5|pc|s8|pg|| nt|pilogen: Spade, diamond K to the A, club ruffed, diamond to the 10|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|nt|ahollan2: all QF matches are on vugraph - but playing different set of boards|pg|| nt|athene: ok now the defence return a heart|pg|| nt|athene: he had to set up BOTH red suits maybe?|pg|| nt|athene: so the defence have to give him one hand or the other|pg|| nt|athene: was not trivial for sure|pg|| nt|pilogen: No need|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cK|pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d8|mc|9|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SJT65H52DAKT52C93,SA94HAK974D87CA76,S73HQT6DQ643CQJT8,SKQ82HJ83DJ9CK542|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: looks flat down 1|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: 3@C = MAX, not 4333, not good 5+suit|pg|| nt|ady: but a reasonable game 4th spade coming in or luck with trumps|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 3-fit, 5-9|pg|| nt|warrens: a pretty decent game, but nothing works here|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d3|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: voice commentary talking about opening 1@H vs 1N -- lauria versace say 1N = NOT 5@H/@S so moot for this pair|pg|| pc|h4|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dK|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|cK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SJT65H52DAKT52C93,SA94HAK974D87CA76,S73HQT6DQ643CQJT8,SKQ82HJ83DJ9CK542|sv|n|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d3|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3S86HK632DJ93CJT54,SJ2HA9DAKQ865CA87,SAK4HQJT7DT42C632,SQT9753H854D7CKQ9|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: playing some version of gazzilli counters some of the arguments in favor of opening 1N with 5M|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: closed room on 15|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no surprise that bocchi preempted and that lauria did not|pg|| mb|p|nt|Authau: undo|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: ahhh now 2@S for lauria|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: we all feel better now|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but i can think of some players in the QF who would pass east [cayne??]|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3S86HK632DJ93CJT54,SJ2HA9DAKQ865CA87,SAK4HQJT7DT42C632,SQT9753H854D7CKQ9|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ahollan2: 11 where sementa raised to 2@S with 3-fit lauria used 1@D-2@H as reverse flannery so versace signed off in 2@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h3|nt|ahollan2: 3@D was short @C/@D |pg|| nt|ahollan2: 3@H asked and 2N = short @D|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hQ|nt|ahollan2: or even 3N|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|h8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|h5|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SJ97H852D64CAQ832,SA862H4DK87CKT954,SK54HKJT763DT2CJ7,SQT3HAQ9DAQJ953C6|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+@D|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: DBL is NOT 3-fit|pg|| mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: in other room bocchi had described 6@D 33 1@C w/ 16-18|pg|| nt|ady: cayne going further ahead|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|nt|ady: wrong black king in west hand|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|d8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|d3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h6|mc|11|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SJ97H852D64CAQ832,SA862H4DK87CKT954,SK54HKJT763DT2CJ7,SQT3HAQ9DAQJ953C6|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|nt|athene: not sure how many special aggreements are behind the 2@H rebid|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|athene: even just playing "natural" you might invent 2@H, thinking that 2@D was a bit of an underbid|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|athene: the main rationale behind it is that if partner raises hearts with four, he must have 5+ spades, so you are always safe to go back to spades|pg|| mb|p|mb|5C|nt|athene: but knowing this pair i would guess they have more firm agreements|pg|| nt|athene: and i am told 2@H shows 3 spades 15+|pg|| mb|p|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i was making mad dash to understand 2N -- changed completely when noticing opening was 1@D east rather than 1@S west|pg|| pc|c2|nt|ahollan2: 3@S was min 16-18 6@D 3@S 1@C|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h6|pc|d3|pc|c3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|d7|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d8|mc|11|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SQ9543HK943DAK3CQ,SAK86H65DJT9875C9,S72HJ2DQ2CA876542,SJTHAQT87D64CKJT3|sv|n|nt|ady: now needs K@S with south for a squeeze|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: last board of Q1|pg|| nt|ahollan1: restart in about 10-15|pg|| nt|ady: thx all|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c9|nt|ahollan1: official scores posted to www.bridgewinners.com|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but since all matches on vugraph you can open multiple bbo windows [without logging in] to spy for real time updates|pg|| nt|ady: looks like just making for a push|pg|| nt|ahollan1: use http://www.bridgebase.com/client/client.php but instead of logging in, select "Look around our site"|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: that let's you watch and listen to voice commentary, but NOT chat|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ady: now can go down|pg|| pc|sA|nt|ady: oh not now|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|s4|pg|| nt|ady: diamond discard|pg|| nt|Authau: he really discarded t@c ? not 4@d ?|pg|| mc|8|nt|ady: thx all|pg|| nt|Authau: seems yes so|pg|| nt|Authau: thx|pg|| nt|Aurora: Many thanks to all commentators and operators :) see you in about 60 minutes for the next session|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SQ9543HK943DAK3CQ,SAK86H65DJT9875C9,S72HJ2DQ2CA876542,SJTHAQT87D64CKJT3|sv|n|nt|Luffe12: DD major Sq??|pg|| mb|1S|mb|3D|nt|ahollan2: last board of Q1 other table on 12 so expect restart 10-15 after slow table finishes|pg|| nt|athene: he was going to ruff the heart and play for a black-suit squeeze|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: but no joy|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| nt|Luffe12: Clubs drop better chance i guess|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|nt|athene: one psychological phenomenon i have noticed when playing a complicated system - if you have a borderline slam hand and methods to explore, there is a strong pressure to push at the ...|pg|| nt|athene: end|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|cK|nt|athene: because you feel that having found out so much it is a pity to just settle for the average contract that you might have reached with much less science|pg|| nt|athene: i am sure EW here are less susceptible to such things, though :)|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h5|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|d8|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s3|mc|9|nt|Aurora: Many thanks to all commentators and operators :) |pg|| pg||