vg|2016 Baze Sr KO FINAL,Segment 4 of 4,I,16,30,Nickell,130,Lewis,108| rs|3NN-3,3NN-3,4DEx-2,4HS-3,4HW+1,3NE=,4HE+2,4HW+1,4SN=,4SN+1,4SN-2,3SS-1,5HNx-2,6HN-3,3SN=,3SN=,4SN=,2SN+2,3NN+1,3NS+1,3SE+1,3SE+1,2SW=,2SW=,4SN=,5CEx-2,4SN=,4SN=,5DS+1,5DSx+1| pn|Rodwell,Drewski,Meckstroth,Krekorian,Dunitz,Hamman,Baqai,Bramley|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SQJ92HAQDAQ76CT95,ST3HK632DKJ32CK82,SAK6H984DT94CA743,S8754HJT75D85CQJ6|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = (10)11-15, 2+@D [my "(10)"]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Last quarter - rehi everyone|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@S = not 4+@H unless FG|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: we do have voice commentary for this table|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| nt|kareno: Natural lead and it is the killer.|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|nt|ahollan1: NS in other table also playing a strong 1@C system but i don't know any detals|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|c9|pc|h3|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c8|nt|kareno: Notrump definitely wrongsided in this room|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cK|mc|6|pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SQJ92HAQDAQ76CT95,ST3HK632DKJ32CK82,SAK6H984DT94CA743,S8754HJT75D85CQJ6|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: NS play a big club - but i dont know any details beyond that|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: They said 1@d is 2+ and that's all I know :)|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|ahollan2: i will be forever confused until i hear explanation of hand where dunitz opened 1@D with 5@D 5@S|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s8|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hT|mc|6|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3SKT84HQT87DK32CJ6,S93H96542DQ874C74,S752HAK3DJCAQT985,SAQJ6HJDAT965CK32|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: expect nebulous 1@D from other table also so don't be surprised if 16 pushed|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: 10-15, 6+@C|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: negative dbl|pg|| mb|4D|nt|ahollan1: bid 'em up - push 'em up - way up|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|kareno: Pass looks likely and I see one loser each suit.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure if meck DBL = responsive or action [wants to bid] or just max|pg|| nt|ahollan1: as expected 16 identical auction|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: which brings up an interesting question if you have seating rights do you make sure both big club pairs sit in same direction or do you want them at same table?|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|kareno: Not sure what I would do - |pg|| pc|dJ|nt|ahollan1: i heard andrew that time|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oh jordan |pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|cQ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|cT|pc|d9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c2|pc|h8|pc|d8|pc|c8|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|hT|pc|h4|mc|8|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3SKT84HQT87DK32CJ6,S93H96542DQ874C74,S752HAK3DJCAQT985,SAQJ6HJDAT965CK32|sv|o|mb|2C!|nt|ahollan2: how many auctions will at least start same way for both NS?|pg|| nt|ahollan2: meck's 2@C = 10-15, 6+@C|pg|| mb|2D|mb|d|mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: drewski jumped to 4@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: contract in other room is 4@DX|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ahollan2: dunitz DBL negative unclear what north's DBL means - but it was also made by meckstroth|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|s5|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|s7|pg|| nt|pdlit: there is voice commentary in the other room|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|c4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|dT|pc|h8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c9|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SKJT4HQ742DQ5C865,SQ8HAKT865DA83CKQ,SA9763H9DJ942C732,S52HJ3DKT76CAJT94|sv|n|nt|kareno: That was their best.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other table playing 4@H hamman only bid 3@D|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: I don't think that will fetch - unlucky Moysians this tournament with trumps breaking 5-1|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|nt|kareno: Looks like losing 2 spades and maybe no hearts - |pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: won't really affect anything here but hamman-bramley are long time fans of Flannery|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so 1@H tends to deny 4@S // 1N could have 4@S that is unwilling to hear raise w/3|pg|| nt|kareno: In my 4 card major partnership I use Flannery - it makes those auctions so easy|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|s3|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| nt|kareno: Don't be so sure, folks - Drew is looking for safety, not overtricks. |pg|| nt|kareno: Specs wanting him to make 7 :)|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|s8|pc|c7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: down 32 you do try for overtricks more than in 1st set|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s4|mc|11|nt|ahollan1: oh it was only 22 at start of set but even so you don't want to give up many 1 or 2 imp swings to this opponent|pg|| pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SKJT4HQ742DQ5C865,SQ8HAKT865DA83CKQ,SA9763H9DJ942C732,S52HJ3DKT76CAJT94|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dunitz asks if Bramley could have 4 @ss for 1NT and Hamman says yes|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|ahollan2: hamman-bramley LONG TIME fans of Flannery |pg|| nt|ahollan2: so 1@H tends to deny 4@S|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@H-1@S tends to be 5+@S or 4@S willing to hear raise w/3|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|ahollan2: and 1@H-1N can have 4@S|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Baqai: "I have no problem playing to this trick"|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|h5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d5|pc|h6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h4|pc|d8|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|sT|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hK|mc|9|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SK53HQ43DQJT5CJ53,S4HAT86D7432CA742,SQJ98H72DA98CT986,SAT762HKJ95DK6CKQ|sv|e|nt|kareno: Yes but safety first. Would be different if he were in slam :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S?|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: there ya go|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: but i wouldn't have been shocked by meckstroth 3rd seat favorable 1@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: not drury is only a bit of a surprise with 4333|pg|| nt|kareno: Wait - who opened 1@s?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nah this had to be P-P-1@S|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: both pairs play 1M-1N = semi-force regardless of which seat opened|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|nt|ahollan1: baqai opened north hand 1@D|pg|| pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: i don't like the 3rd seat nebulous @D at all|pg|| nt|kareno: Stella checking out the dummy and going back to sleep|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and i can be very dogmatic about that as a non-player|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: from other side lead was @C10|pg|| pc|h6|nt|kareno: This will play very well|pg|| pc|s9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|s2|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|kareno: If he didn't pitch a diamond I ask why?|pg|| nt|kareno: And if not, fourth club to shake last diamond|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: I lost the thread on this; claim is 6|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SK53HQ43DQJT5CJ53,S4HAT86D7432CA742,SQJ98H72DA98CT986,SAT762HKJ95DK6CKQ|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|d|mb|1S!|an|no 4+ Major|nt|pdlit: Lewis wins 2 imps after the @s confusion, not 10|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|nt|ahollan2: meckstroth did not find a bid with north hand [but operator originally supported my prediction of 1@S]|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|ahollan2: so 4@H east in other room|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|ahollan2: @DQ lead|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|h6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|h8|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s7|pc|cJ|pc|hT|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|d6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|dT|pc|hA|mc|11|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SAQ9HAKQJ9DJ975C2,SJTHT87542DK6CA43,SK76432HDQTCQJ986,S85H63DA8432CKT75|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: walter used to say meckwell tried to have 2M show quality but with 65 even vul you have to get in there|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: but baqai did NOT open|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|nt|kareno: Or as someone said, '6-5 come alive!'|pg|| nt|kareno: I'd open 1 or 3 depending partnership. Would NOT pass.|pg|| nt|kareno: Sorry 1 or 2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: credit usually goes to Grant Baze -- and that should lead to you noticing the name of this event|pg|| nt|kareno: Well it was not a one-bid so Rodwell should work out to stay in game.|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: i [once] played up in a rubber bridge game in san francisco|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: partnering grant baze i had problem he opened and i had 7600 WITH FIT -- didn't know which void to splinter|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| nt|kareno: I had a similar problem with John Lowenthal a million years ago :)|pg|| pc|h2|pc|c8|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|sA|mc|10|pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SAQ9HAKQJ9DJ975C2,SJTHT87542DK6CA43,SK76432HDQTCQJ986,S85H63DA8432CKT75|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|an|STR, ART, F1|mb|p|mb|1S!|an|5+ !ss, 8+ HCPs|mb|p|mb|2C!|an|Relay, asking|nt|ahollan2: meckstroth opened 2@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|an|6 !ss, some 4 card side suit|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dunitz: "I pulled the wrong card out of the box ... created a very interesting auction"|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'm guessing that's 2@c, but he didn't say|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|nt|Vugraphzfb: B puts screen down to ask about carding - standard signals|pg|| pc|dT|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|dQ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|nt|ahollan2: both pairs stopped in 4@S|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|c6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|c8|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|s4|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|s9|pc|c4|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SAKQ97H8DKQCJT865,S5H954DT875432CKQ,SJT6HJ762DAJ96C42,S8432HAKQT3DCA973|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: both pairs stopped in 4@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but dunitz apolgizing for pulling wrong bidding card in a strong 1@C auction|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: but you were friends with lowenthal so no intimidation i was possibly starving student [really couldn't afford the stakes] who only knew baze by reputation|pg|| mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: distribution trumps suit quality disparity|pg|| nt|ahollan1: apparently|pg|| nt|kareno: 3@h in this auction could be Alerted as 'an overbid.'|pg|| nt|ahollan1: john swanson describing "weichsel defense" to michaels but i wasn't typing fast enough|pg|| mb|3S|mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: essentially bids to show 3 vs 4 fit and transfers for the other suits|pg|| nt|ahollan1: bramley opens Flannery 2@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s7|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: dunitz in 3@S south|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|ahollan1: careful play for down 2 rather than down 3?|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| nt|kareno: Looks like - there were chances but the distribution has sunk him.|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d2|mc|8|pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SAKQ97H8DKQCJT865,S5H954DT875432CKQ,SJT6HJ762DAJ96C42,S8432HAKQT3DCA973|sv|n|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|4 !ss, 5/6 !hs, 11-15|nt|ahollan2: flannery 4@S 5/6@H|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: over 1@H rodwell bid michaels 2@H showing @S & minor|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: flannery defense does have 2@S = nat|pg|| pc|h4|nt|ahollan2: meckstroth in 4@S north|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s7|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|d4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|dJ|mc|8|pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4S3HAT832DAQT643C4,SK86542HK4DK7CJT3,SJ7HQJ65D95CK9762,SAQT9H97DJ82CAQ85|sv|e|mb|1C|nt|ahollan1: anyone NOT bidding 2N?|pg|| mb|2N|mb|3H!|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: baqai also jumped to 5@H but after natural 3@S|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|nt|kareno: Great bid by Meckstroth. Down 2 against making 5@s. The trick is to make the opponents make the last guess. So if they bid on you must pass.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: dunitz raised to 6@H|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h7|nt|kareno: And doubled I assume|pg|| nt|ahollan1: whoa 6@H NOT doubled|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4S3HAT832DAQT643C4,SK86542HK4DK7CJT3,SJ7HQJ65D95CK9762,SAQT9H97DJ82CAQ85|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|2N|an|!hs & !ds|mb|3S|mb|5H|nt|ahollan2: meck jumped to 5@H also|pg|| mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: other room 5@HX|pg|| mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|ahollan2: what was risk/reward calculation of PASS vs DBL?|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SQT4HK952DT9CQJT2,SA8HJT7DKJ83CK943,SKJ632HA43D54CA87,S975HQ86DAQ762C65|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|3D!|nt|ahollan1: 3@D looks mixed|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: CC confirms 1m-3m = mixed |pg|| pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: it took longer in other room but also 3@S|pg|| nt|kareno: Thin game n/s that ALMOST makes |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: short break|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|d8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|mc|9|pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SQT4HK952DT9CQJT2,SA8HJT7DKJ83CK943,SKJ632HA43D54CA87,S975HQ86DAQ762C65|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfb: Hamman: "3@s not forcing?" Bramley: "we hadn't discussed it, but I didn't think it was"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: krekorian jumped to 3@D=mixed meckstroth playing 3@S|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: B just led the @s J, which of course I can't do, but luckily, Bramley said "aren't you over there?"|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|d2|pc|h2|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|dQ|pc|h5|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h3|mc|9|pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SJ862HKQT7DQ932CJ,SK53H5DKT87CAT942,SAQT7HJ2DA65CKQ63,S94HA98643DJ4C875|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1N=14-16|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|d|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: meckwell only qualify @C holding if NO 4+ majors|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: sorry john - i was slow typing that|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|s3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: baqai playing 2@S|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but he did show @C values|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|mc|10|nt|kareno: He needs spades as they are |pg|| pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SJ862HKQT7DQ932CJ,SK53H5DKT87CAT942,SAQT7HJ2DA65CKQ63,S94HA98643DJ4C875|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|d|nt|pdlit: when Hamman discarded the @d, Bramley knows to discard the @d and protect @hs|pg|| mb|r|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: in other room meckwell only qualify @C holding when NO 4+Major|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s9|nt|ahollan2: meckstroth in 4@S after saying nothing about @C holding got @C lead|pg|| nt|pdlit: that was an interesting problem for S; should he leave in the 2@cxx and expect to make it on pure power give NS have 24+ hcp|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|c5|pc|s6|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|c2|pg|| nt|pdlit: assuming N makes 10 tricks, 6 more for Nickell|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| mc|10|nt|pdlit: 6 boards; 27 imps separation|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Hamman: "2@c would be interesting ... I guess the J of diamonds lead would do some damage" Bramley, laughing: "it would have been out of turn"|pg|| pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3SKQ4HAJDQT9863CQ6,SJT96H972DAC98753,SA53HKT853DJCKJT4,S872HQ64DK7542CA2|sv|e|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 10-15|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: 2N = default not 6@H, not 4@S not enough to bid 3@C or 3@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: but as you see that means could be unbal|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h9|pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: 24 other room had a chance to play 2@CXX did anyone examine to see if that contract makes?|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3SKQ4HAJDQT9863CQ6,SJT96H972DAC98753,SA53HKT853DJCKJT4,S872HQ64DK7542CA2|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C!|an|ART FG|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|5 !hs and 4 any|mb|p|mb|2H|an|asking|nt|ahollan2: i know dunitz plays some times with joanna stansby i wonder if 2@C uses the granovetter GUS relays|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|an|4 !cs|nt|ahollan2: so far it does match|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 2@C = RELAY, FG|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N!|an|asking|nt|ahollan2: 2@D = 5M 4-other|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 2@S = 4@C|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: dunitz just asking without describing anything|pg|| mb|3D!|an|3-5-1-4|nt|ahollan2: 3@H = exact shape 3514|pg|| nt|ahollan2: oops so a bit different|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: i thought 3@D showed 1534|pg|| mb|3N|nt|Vugraphzfb: Bramley used his fingers to say 3-5-1-4 and then Baqai wrote it down to make sure :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan2: bramley played a version of the relays in his now defunct partnership with lew stansby|pg|| nt|ahollan2: oh right GUS does not open 1M with 5(332) |pg|| nt|ahollan2: so step for baqai-dunitz match bramley-stansby|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|c3|pc|h3|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c4|mc|10|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dunitz: "Diamonds were 5-1, that was a nuisance"|pg|| pg|| qx|o26|st||md|4S65HQT9653DAQJC95,SAJ84H8D985CKJ643,ST97HJ74DK74CA872,SKQ32HAK2DT632CQT|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: EW 1N=15-17 but is east worth upgrade?|pg|| mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: i should have known better|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|mb|2D!|mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: i don't see any mention of this auction on CC guessing DBL = exactly 4@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D = better raise than 2@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think specifically 3-fit|pg|| nt|kareno: Once upon a time playing IMPs for money at the old Mayfair, I doubled 3@c stayman after 2nt opener. Phil Feldesman and Ira Rubin pondered and finally played it redoubled. Down 1. ...|pg|| nt|kareno: And congratulated each other on the excellent bidding as they lost many IMPs|pg|| mb|3H|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: rubin congratulated someone?|pg|| mb|p|pc|h9|pc|h8|nt|kareno: They are now playing in the great bridge club in the sky.|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|d5|pc|h7|pg|| pc|cT|nt|kareno: They were practically embracing. |pg|| pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c9|nt|kareno: That was an old-time partnership|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|sK|pc|h5|pc|c6|pg|| nt|kareno: Many specs speculating they headed down the escalator, not up :)|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c26|st||md|4S65HQT9653DAQJC95,SAJ84H8D985CKJ643,ST97HJ74DK74CA872,SKQ32HAK2DT632CQT|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|3H|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dunitz asks "your NT range is 15-17" "yes"|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|d5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|sK|pc|h5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|s2|mc|10|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dunitz: "I had a pretty clear diamond lead from AQJ (laughing)" Bramley: "we were off 4 top tricks"|pg|| pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1SK93HKQT8DQ82CKT9,SAQT654H75DAT54C4,S872HA62D9763CAQ5,SJHJ943DKJCJ87632|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = (10)11-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|1N|nt|kareno: Meck 'stoppers are for children'|pg|| mb|d!|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|kareno: That double should be responsive, no?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: short break|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i would like to thank everyone for not asking about krekorian's DBL|pg|| nt|kareno: I said something - thought it was responsive|pg|| nt|kareno: But I have a big mouth :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry karen - i missed your comment|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: responsive is correct|pg|| nt|kareno: Thanks Kate. And thanks for your fine Operating through a long day and night.|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|nt|kareno: Thanks to Al for his help with systems|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|c2|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|c3|pc|sK|pg|| mc|8|nt|kareno: Thanks to the specs for your many comments and keeping me awake and laughing|pg|| pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1SK93HKQT8DQ82CKT9,SAQT654H75DAT54C4,S872HA62D9763CAQ5,SJHJ943DKJCJ87632|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| nt|pdlit: looks like a push, i can't see a route to set |pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|h5|pc|cA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|c6|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|c7|pc|sK|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2SJT542HKJTDQ64CQ7,SK9H96543D87CT542,SAQ763H87DAJT53C9,S8HAQ2DK92CAKJ863|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: just checking acbl meckstroth results in this event win: 2014, 2013 2nd: 2012 [his rookie year]|pg|| mb|3H!|nt|ahollan1: 3M-1 = mixed raise|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so they did not reach finals in 2015|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: rodwell was still considered a kid in 2012 so his rookie year was 2013|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: in his debut as senior in WBF land meckstroth was on team that won the 2016 Seniors at the Wroclaw World Bridge Games|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| nt|kareno: So this is not making - not terrible for a vulnerable game.|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: there are still some ACBL members who get 'grandfathed' in as senior as ACBL moves from senior = 55 to senior = 60 [rest of world]|pg|| pc|c2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|nt|kareno: Oops - it is making|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: this year rookies who aren't yet 60 Ralph Katz [member of team Nickell] and Bobby Levin|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|kareno: I honestly am tired - I saw 2 clubs in that north hand..|pg|| pc|s7|pc|c6|pc|sT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dQ|mc|10|pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2SJT542HKJTDQ64CQ7,SK9H96543D87CT542,SAQ763H87DAJT53C9,S8HAQ2DK92CAKJ863|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|2N!|an|Limit raise+ w/ 4 !ss|mb|4C|nt|ahollan2: 2N surely raise of @S just not sure about promised strength|pg|| mb|4D|nt|Vugraphzfb: I'm pretty sure Dunitz wrote limit, and very sure Baqai did|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Actually wrote limit or better|pg|| mb|5C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|Vugraphzfb: Bramley "thank you" Smiling :)|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg|| nt|RDS Reno: Looks like 1S, 2H and 1D losers for -2 ... -300 ... a vg sac|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Chalk this one up to Hamman's 4@c bid :)|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|s7|pg|| nt|ahollan2: other table just finished play|pg|| pc|c3|pc|sT|pc|c5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h3|nt|RDS Reno: N needs to lead a @H when in with the @D ace, or S may get endplayed.|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|RDS Reno: Declarer led one, so no danger now.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3SAQ973HK5D6CQ9742,SK42HQJDKJ87CKT86,SJ86HA632DAQT3CA3,ST5HT9874D9542CJ5|sv|b|nt|kareno: But there's a funny rule that if you were 55 when the age limit went up you can play.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Steve Weinstein not even close to being senior so intact Nickell team that we know won't be seen until Reisinger BAM that starts on Friday|pg|| mb|1N|nt|kareno: I'm glad they played - events are so much improved by their presence.|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i think born before [or in] 1959 is the cutoff|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N still 14-16|pg|| mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|kareno: While if anyone wants to hire me I'm eligible for the SuperSeniors :)|pg|| mb|2N!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: if anyone wants to hire me - i'm eligible as ballist|pg|| mb|3D!|nt|ahollan1: 2N = @C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i thought 1N-2@C-2x-2@S = 5@S INV |pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: ballast|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that looks better|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hT|nt|kareno: Does 2nt maybe show invitation with clubs? Force with clubs?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@D must be @S fit not sure if they have a way to say fit both|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm not sure about strength :(|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: i blame my gaps of knowledge on walter johnson [bigtrain]|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cT|nt|kareno: He really was the best on their system. But you, Al, know ALL the systems.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: for a long time walter was the official keeper of the meckwell notes |pg|| pc|s8|pc|sT|pg|| nt|kareno: You know he was named after the pitcher, Walter Johnson who had that same nickname.|pg|| pc|h9|pc|sQ|nt|kareno: He was a big baseball fan (as I am)|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: it was said he knew the system better than meckstroth and sometimes rodwell who tinkered so much that he did not remember latest agreement :)|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3SAQ973HK5D6CQ9742,SK42HQJDKJ87CKT86,SJ86HA632DAQT3CA3,ST5HT9874D9542CJ5|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfb: Hamman: "you had a pretty good hand, pard"|pg|| mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|!ss|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|ahollan2: rodwell's 2N showed @C and meckstroth's 3@D was @S fit|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Hamman asks if 3@c was natural and Dunitz nods|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: here it looks like 3@D was concentration of values|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Bramley also asks about 3@c and Baqai says natural|pg|| pc|hT|nt|ahollan2: nobody asked about 3@D??|pg|| nt|RDS Reno: N can make this with 4S, 2H, 2D, 1C and a C ruff|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|s8|pc|h4|pg|| mc|10|nt|RDS Reno: Played it differently, but still 10 tricks.|pg|| pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4SK6HDKJT8642CA653,SA932HQT62D97CJ92,SQJ7H753DA3CKQT87,ST854HAKJ984DQ5C4|sv|o|nt|kareno: Last of the day - and what great bridge we were privileged to see here! Thanks to BBO for this amazing platform|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: walter died 3 years ago?? just a day or 2 before spring nationals began|pg|| nt|kareno: And thanks especially to Jan Martel for organizing the vugraphs and operators|pg|| nt|ahollan1: next vugraph will be Reisinger BAM semi-finals on saturday|pg|| mb|4D|mb|4H|nt|kareno: I'll try to be here. That's a really tough event to play. I've twice made the final cut (when eleven teams qualified) and was very happy to get that far.|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|nt|kareno: No striped tail ape double :)|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: karen's reference is good time for advertisement Jeff Rubens published entire collection of The Bridge Journal|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: still a great read even after it was absorbed by Bridge World in 1967 when Kaplan took over with Rubens his right-hand man|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: striped tail ape was described int "TBJ"|pg|| mc|12|nt|ahollan1: partly because the authors were known as "the menagerie"|pg|| nt|kareno: That was a John Lowenthal creation |pg|| nt|kareno: I really don't know which one was Lowenthal. I'll ask Cecilia - maybe she knows.|pg|| nt|kareno: Or maybe he WAS the striped tail ape|pg|| nt|kareno: Striped with a 'd'|pg|| nt|kareno: Slam is possible this last hand but that won't do it.|pg|| pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4SK6HDKJT8642CA653,SA932HQT62D97CJ92,SQJ7H753DA3CKQT87,ST854HAKJ984DQ5C4|sv|o|nt|ahollan2: another Flannery?|pg|| mb|2D!|an|4 !ss, 5/6 !ss, 11-15|nt|ahollan2: 4@S 5/6@H, 11-16|pg|| mb|3D|nt|RDS Reno: Last hand ... Nickell can't be caught, so congratulations to that team for winning this event!|pg|| nt|pdlit: this match is mathematically finished; congratulations to the Nickell team and a thank you to Jan for the vugraph and to all the specs|pg|| mb|4H|nt|RDS Reno: Here 5@C or 6@D both make|pg|| nt|RDS Reno: 6@C or 6@D|pg|| nt|ahollan2: meckstroth was rookie in 2012 and in this event he now has 3 wins and 1 second|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: rodwell rookie year was 2013 so he missed out on the silver medal|pg|| mb|p|pc|h2|nt|ahollan2: this was ralph katz's rookie debut to the acbl wold of seniors|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'd say striped tail ape double except they already stopped in 5 :)|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ahollan2: hamman and meckstroth won senior event in 2016 World Bridge Games [Wroclaw] but not as partners|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| nt|ahollan2: oh right -- this is first time nickell has played in the event -- but he has be eligible for a while|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| mc|12|nt|RDS Reno: By "rookie," Al mean newly eligible to play in THIS event.|pg|| nt|ahollan2: next vugraph from orlando saturday for the reisinger bam semi-final|pg|| nt|ahollan2: blame Jan Martel for all of the great coverage|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: No, I think Al means playing in this event for the first time, at least in the case of Ralph|pg|| nt|ahollan2: right 1st time meeting age requirement|pg|| pg||