vg|2016 USBC FINAL,Segment 7 of 8,I,1,15,Fleisher,156,Diamond,210| rs|3HE=,4DN=,2SW+2,2HN-2,3HW=,2SS-3,4HN=,5HS-1,3HW=,3HW=,3NN-5,2HW-1,3NS+1,6CS=,3HN+1,4HN+1,3SWx=,4DS-1,4SW-1,3NE=,3NNx=,4DSx=,4SW-1,4SW-1,3NE-1,2NW=,3SW-2,4DS-3,6CE-2,6CW=| pn|Martel,Greco,Fleisher,Hampson,Bathurst,Grue,Lall,Moss|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SQ3HADT9732CAKJT3,ST86HJ8632D4CQ965,SA9542HQ4DQ865C82,SKJ7HKT975DAKJC74|sv|o|mb|2D!|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D!|an|!h|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Hello again from Las Vegas :)|pg|| mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: NS use 2@S opener as constructive so 2@D = either wide range weak 2@H or lousy 2@S|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg|| nt|kareno: Kit :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nv: constructive 2@S = 8-11|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|sT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|h6|nt|kareno: So knowing north has a weak hand/suit, Geoff Hampson goes right in spades.|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|hA|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SQ3HADT9732CAKJT3,ST86HJ8632D4CQ965,SA9542HQ4DQ865C82,SKJ7HKT975DAKJC74|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|2N|an|minors|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: Welcome to the seventh of eight segments of the USBC final|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: 30 boards remain in this match|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Live videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXeOEeVxXN9Jj-UXRxO_C9A|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4S985HKJD63C976532,SKT64H8752DK52CAK,SAJHAT643DQ984CQJ,SQ732HQ9DAJT7CT84|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|1H|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1N 14-16 but honest count 1@D=10-15, 2+!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2+@D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: DBL = 4@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|an|4 !s|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: What would rdbl be for south, Al?|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: I think NS play RDBL = cards with honor doubleton fit for partner|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: so Martel too weak|pg|| pc|c4|nt|kareno: Ah, I like to play it A or K with probably no raise. Lead director|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Rosenkranz did not specify length of fit - just differentiated top honor or not|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: mentioned earlier today George Rosenkranz scheduled to turn 100 in August|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pg|| nt|kareno: I gather he lives in California now?|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: the difference in philosophy lead direct vs further competition|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hJ|nt|ahollan1: John Swanson thought San Francisco area|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s7|pc|c6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|d7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|mc|10|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4S985HKJD63C976532,SKT64H8752DK52CAK,SAJHAT643DQ984CQJ,SQ732HQ9DAJT7CT84|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss: "If you had fewer spades, I needed to do something." JLall: "I knew you didn't have the @HJ..."|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|an|11-15|mb|2H|an|!H + minor|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|ahollan2: see Oren CAN do it all|pg|| mc|6|nt|ahollan2: he doesn't really need typing commentator|pg|| pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SKQT75HK3DQJ85CQJ,SJ42HA954DK642C72,S983HT76D973CA843,SA6HQJ82DATCKT965|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1N semi-force|pg|| nt|kit: The 1NT response makes it safer for East to come in than a 2@S raise.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i also dislike the term but there is small difference with openers actions when 1N = NF vs semi-force|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: It is a clearly defined term, Al. Why dislike it?|pg|| pc|s9|nt|kareno: Having raised spades, north can lead the nine to show top of nothing|pg|| nt|ahollan1: well it makes many think of a little pregnant|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i.e. really binary it is forcing or it is not|pg|| nt|ahollan1: my alter ego is going to focus on closed room where nobody is typing|pg|| nt|kareno: it is forcing if you would accept a game try based on spades or notrump. That's binary.|pg|| nt|adamw: We used to call this 1NT response "Intended as forcing."|pg|| pc|s6|nt|adamw: The ACBL now insists on "Semi-forcing".|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: and we all know that ACBL always knows best|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: just ask ACBL|pg|| nt|adamw: I don't see the advantage to ducking the first trick.|pg|| nt|kit: Do you see a disadvantage?|pg|| nt|kareno: No - and it cuts communication between defenders' hands.|pg|| nt|adamw: Declarer would rather the defense were on lead at trick 3.|pg|| nt|adamw: If the @HK in offside it doesn't matter.|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: bathurst bid 2@D over the DBL and buys the contract at 2@S|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|nt|adamw: If it's onside the worst the defense could do would be to play @D, and that's what he has to play himself anyway.|pg|| nt|adamw: But all considered likely a wash.|pg|| nt|adamw: The @C9 could be a "practice finesse", since declarer is unlikey to score a third round trick even if Q or J is onside.|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|adamw: GIB says it doesn't matter which club declarer plays from dummy at this trick.|pg|| nt|adamw: It will matter later though.|pg|| nt|kareno: Adam, we don't use GIB because it is a double dummy analyzer|pg|| nt|adamw: I find it helpful -- I don't insist that you partake!|pg|| nt|kareno: We'd rather not use it for the specs. Better to discuss declarer's problems on a single dummy basis|pg|| nt|adamw: I had done that already.|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| nt|adamw: You reminded me of a line from "The Fountainhead":|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s3|nt|adamw: "We Don't Read Wynand."|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|s5|pc|h4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|hQ|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|dQ|pc|h5|pc|cA|pg|| nt|adamw: North will show out on a @d lead.|pg|| nt|adamw: But South has pitched his 4th @H on a club, so declarer has a guess here.|pg|| nt|adamw: Sorry, 4th @d.|pg|| pc|d6|nt|kareno: That's the 13th diamond in west. Declarer has to guess the hearts now|pg|| pc|h6|nt|adamw: North would likely have raised to 2@S with an A and a K.|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SKQT75HK3DQJ85CQJ,SJ42HA954DK642C72,S983HT76D973CA843,SA6HQJ82DATCKT965|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|semiforcing|nt|ahollan2: 1@S =10-15|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: You're too kind|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan2: 1N = semi-force|pg|| nt|ahollan2: when i'm being kind -- don't trust me|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2H|nt|Vugraphzfe: JLall's 2@S would be 8-11 or so, so 1NT is required on weaker fitting hands|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|nt|ahollan2: fleisher also started with 1N but i don't believe his "constructive" needs to be as strong as JLall|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: It's at least in part a function of the limited opening--anything less than a decent 8 isn't constructive|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: good point Oren|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue-Moss shift to 2nd/4th through declarer, so the @HJ shows a higher card, unless it's a "bridge play"|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: isn't it really combining 2nd/4th AND rusinow thru declarer?|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan2: martel did not bid 2@D over DBL Greco playing 3@H west|pg|| pc|c5|pc|sT|nt|Vugraphzfe: Re: Rusinow or 2nd/4th, I think it's just a matter of semantics|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Though I suppose when people normally say "2nd/4th" they only mean spot leads, so maybe "Rusinow" is the extension to honors. I think playing 2nd/4th through declarer definitely ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: implies 2nd from honors, though|pg|| nt|ahollan2: yeah that's what i was thinking 2/4 referencing spot cards|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|s6|pc|d8|pg|| mc|5|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S965HKJT985D3CKT9,ST83H43DA52CQJ864,SK2HAQ2DKQ98CA753,SAQJ74H76DJT764C2|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C!|an|2+|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+|pg|| nt|ahollan1: notice Grue's 4@S leap in other room vs strong 1@C and partner's 2@S=@S + minor|pg|| mb|d|mb|2H!|an|!s raise|nt|kareno: Good methods - good bid|pg|| nt|ahollan1: NS still transfer after DBL or 1@D but not after 1@H or higher|pg|| mb|2N!|an|strong balanced|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N vul [and always 4th] is 15-17|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so adjust accordingly for Fleisher's 2N|pg|| nt|kit: I don't think E-W will be bidding 4@S here, and if they do I don't think N-S will take the push.|pg|| nt|kareno: Agreed, Kit. |pg|| nt|adamw: One strategy for South is to bid 3@d then 4@d, in the hope that if his partner plays him for diamonds he might cue-bid 4@H.|pg|| nt|kareno: So on the auction, North has no more than 2 spades - I would just bid game in hearts as south|pg|| mb|3D!|mb|p|nt|adamw: I agree, Karen. Best to avoid a possible misunderstanding since 4@H rates to make from either side.|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|kareno: Spec points out that 3@s would be sort of Western for a spade stopper for notrump|pg|| mb|4H|nt|kit: They got it from North side after all|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|adamw: Looks like 12 badly needed IMPs for Fleisher.|pg|| nt|kareno: Transfer effected nicely!!|pg|| nt|kareno: They really haven't gotten any traction last or this set so far, |pg|| pc|c2|nt|kit: This and 4 more boards like it will make it a very close match|pg|| nt|adamw: Not clear how best to play this.|pg|| nt|kareno: It really is what the doctor ordered|pg|| nt|adamw: 2-2 trump and the @DA onside make it easy double-dummy.|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|adamw: 10 tricks...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: there is a recent bridgewinners threat about documentation of transfer responses to 1@C but i think conclusion is no definitive literature|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s4|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| nt|adamw: Some potential partners have threatetened me with that system.|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S965HKJT985D3CKT9,ST83H43DA52CQJ864,SK2HAQ2DKQ98CA753,SAQJ74H76DJT764C2|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|an|16+|nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 16+unbal or 17+BAL|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue: "Sorry, I could have bid more [thinking they can make 4@H]" Moss: "You have a long way to go before making 4@H" Grue: "Yeah, OK, that was my quick analysis"|pg|| mb|2S!|an|!S + minor|mb|3H!|an|5+!H, GF|nt|Vugraphzfe: JLall: "You counted your losers." Grue: "That's exactly right." JLall: "I know you, Joe"|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg|| nt|joest: is it just me or was that quite a 4@s bid by Grue?|pg|| nt|joest: a 'down 60 bid' :)|pg|| nt|ahollan2: [sarcasm] he would have only bid 3@S if non-vul |pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3ST2HK865DKQTC6432,SA4HAQJ972D83CAKJ,SKQ975HTDA52CQT95,SJ863H43DJ9764C87|sv|n|nt|kareno: I'm not sure I understood that, Al.|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N!|an|semi forcing|nt|kareno: threat? thread?|pg|| nt|adamw: West is strong enough to X and then bid @H.|pg|| mb|d|mb|2C|nt|adamw: Al and I both engaged in typos.|pg|| mb|p|nt|adamw: I'm going to pretend that mine was intentional.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry voice commentary has spec asking if any literature about transfers over 1@C|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: Absolutely strong enough. But not strong enough to drag east to game.|pg|| nt|adamw: Greco thinking about a jump to 3@H. Hampson will still pass, and they have 9 tricks.|pg|| nt|kit: seems like 3@H here does pretty good justice to West's hand|pg|| nt|kareno: lol Adam|pg|| mb|3H|nt|kit: but he may be thinking 3NT, with clubs well stopped and partner marked with 4+ spades|pg|| nt|kareno: Playing semiforcing nt, north's 2@c would be a real suit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: And in fact 3NT would roll home on a not unlikely club lead|pg|| pc|cT|nt|agumperz: Here is a link to an article by Anders Wirgren on transfer responses to 1C: http://newinbridge.com/topics-collection|pg|| nt|agumperz: look for topic 44|pg|| pc|c7|nt|kit: Clearly clubs real suit -- if North were 5-3-3-2 he just passes over double|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|hA|nt|agumperz: and thankyou to spectator arete for providing the link|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|nt|adamw: Good point about 3NT. Might well have been a winner.|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s5|pc|h4|pc|hK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: of course NewInBridge requires subscription for all but a few sample articles [ex: Rodwell on Support DBL]|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3ST2HK865DKQTC6432,SA4HAQJ972D83CAKJ,SKQ975HTDA52CQT95,SJ863H43DJ9764C87|sv|n|nt|joest: we may see a few more like that down the stretch :)|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|semiforcing|mb|d|mb|2C|nt|ahollan2: 1@S = 10-15|pg|| nt|joest: I half expected to see a 4@h call by Grue|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|joest: uh huh|pg|| nt|joest: another interesting choice|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|joest: I have one world champion telling me he expected THREE no!|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: I wonder if Moss now wonders if they are having a transfer mixup!|pg|| mb|p|nt|joest: on theother hand, hehas seen Grue bid before :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: I don't think so. His pass was as insta as it gets for Moss|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|joest: Precision bidding to the top spot|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|h4|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hA|mc|9|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S97H84DT52CQJT842,S8532HJT76DA9CK75,SAKT4HA93D7643CA9,SQJ6HKQ52DKQJ8C63|sv|e|mb|1N!|an|14-16|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 14-16|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no downgrade no how|pg|| mb|3C|nt|kareno: It's a good hand - 4/4 outweighs low doubleton club and aceless hand|pg|| nt|kit: Interesting that at other table East opened 1@D instead of 1NT -- looking for the swing.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|kit: South taking advantage of favorable vul to make thins difficult|pg|| nt|kareno: Fleisher got greedy|pg|| mb|p|nt|adamw: Greco will X|pg|| nt|kit: But his partner can't take a joke|pg|| nt|kareno: 3@c was a fine bid - maximum pressure with the hand - forcing e/w to make a decision.|pg|| nt|adamw: I see 5 tricks for NS.|pg|| nt|adamw: West did well not to make a negative double of 3@c.|pg|| nt|kareno: He'll probably retreat to 4@c if doubled|pg|| nt|kit: Actually I don't like 3@C. Hand is too flat. Whatever the opponents do, they will probably be doing the right thing.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D in other room was not a downgrade the 1N would have been 15-17|pg|| nt|adamw: Now he's thinking about whether to turn the cube with a big lead.|pg|| nt|adamw: Doubling is in his nature.|pg|| nt|adamw: If South is going to run then it doesn't matter whether he doubles or not.|pg|| mb|p|pc|dJ|nt|adamw: Predictions are tough, especially about the future.|pg|| nt|kit: That is amazing not doubling -- what is he afraid of?|pg|| pc|d2|nt|kareno: That they will run?|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| nt|kit: so?|pg|| nt|adamw: -- Niels Bohr via Yogi berra.|pg|| nt|kit: it isn't like 4@C is going to make either|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| nt|adamw: EW will still win six or so.|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| nt|adamw: No stiff K. Darn!|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Kit can you talk about the selection of @DJ lead rather than Rusinow 2nd from touching honors |pg|| nt|kit: What about Al?|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pg|| nt|adamw: (Putting on my Kit hat) East would like to learn whether his partner holds the @DT.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d5|nt|kit: oh -- of course|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|c5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d8|nt|kit: Adam has it right. Jack normal lead from that holding.|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: lead was @DJ rather than @DQ|pg|| nt|kit: Lead of queen would be trying to find out where jack is -- and he knows.|pg|| nt|kareno: Unless they play Rusinow|pg|| nt|kit: They do play Rusinow. That's the point.|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h5|pc|c8|pc|hT|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|nt|kareno: Okay|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ahhh so partner knows to encourage with the 10|pg|| mc|4|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S97H84DT52CQJT842,S8532HJT76DA9CK75,SAKT4HA93D7643CA9,SQJ6HKQ52DKQJ8C63|sv|e|mb|1D|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = nat|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue: "I shoulda just manned up and jumped to 3NT" JLall: "I woulda led a low spade"|pg|| nt|ahollan2: EW Precision nv:123 & always 4th vul:123 = 2/1 Relay|pg|| mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2H|nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue: "Really, what were your spades?" JLall: "No. I had KQ9xx." Grue: "Shush, then."|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|h4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|hK|pc|c2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg|| mc|7|nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue: "Good lead." JLall: "Tough one."|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1S753HAK4DACAKT974,SKT8642HJ3DQ54C52,SAH862DJT9873CQ86,SQJ9HQT975DK62CJ3|sv|b|nt|adamw: Lead back to 56.|pg|| mb|1C!|an|2+|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|nt|adamw: South would score 8 or 9 tricks in clubs on deal 6.|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = nat, non-inv|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure what agreements in place over 2@D|pg|| nt|kit: Just what South wanted to hear|pg|| nt|adamw: Tough for South to visualize 6@C after a weak 2@D response.|pg|| nt|kit: And they got to slam in other room, impressively|pg|| nt|ahollan1: when auction over i'll tell you closed room contract |pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|adamw: EW have done well not to compete. That would help South.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: 6@c makes -- excellent to reach it|pg|| pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: bathurst in 6@C|pg|| nt|adamw: I'm taking a break. Perhaps the match will be closer when I return!|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| nt|kit: South's 3NT call was in the blind -- could have been off whole spade suit with 5 or 6 of a minor laydown.|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h9|pc|cK|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: choice of 2@D also not automatic|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h3|pc|d3|nt|kareno: Certainly north had short majors|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s2|pc|h2|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d4|pc|h6|pc|s9|pg|| mc|10|nt|ahollan1: bathurst 1@C opener was Precision|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1S753HAK4DACAKT974,SKT8642HJ3DQ54C52,SAH862DJT9873CQ86,SQJ9HQT975DK62CJ3|sv|b|mb|1C|an|16+|mb|2D!|an|1 major|nt|joest: 2@d = one major presumably|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue: "How many clubs did you have, Kevin?" Bathurst: "Six." JLall: "Now you know why I wasn't making takeout doubles."|pg|| mb|d|an|(5)6-7 any|nt|joest: over which Moss might well bid as high as 3@s|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 16+unbal or 17+BAL|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 2@D = @H or @S|pg|| nt|dburn: 6@c not a bad spot - even 7@c might make, but a spade lead may break it|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 4 Fleisher buys contract at 4@H|pg|| mb|3H!|an|pass/correct|nt|ahollan2: Grue's creative 4@S gets full credit for the swing|pg|| nt|joest: pass or correct|pg|| nt|joest: I guess i'm a little puzzled. If partner's suit is hearts he surely wants to be higher|pg|| nt|ahollan2: does he?|pg|| nt|joest: I don't play club systems that often and when I do this is what happens to me :) |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: I wonder if 3@H is a tactical bid|pg|| nt|joest: i agree oren|pg|| nt|joest: 2@d was 7-10 any or something like that oren?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Sometimes players "fake" a pass/correct bid to imply length or shortness in a certain suit, hoping to throw their opponents off|pg|| nt|dburn: he has quite a lot of losers and some defensive-looking values - even facing hearts, he does not want to bid too much|pg|| nt|joest: welcome david!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Hi David|pg|| nt|dburn: good evening|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: The double of 2@D was 6-7, any distribution|pg|| nt|joest: I suppose that's fair but down 60 things like that faze you a bit less if you think you have an 11 card fit :)|pg|| nt|joest: 3@s does announce long hearts. 3@h you could be 33|pg|| nt|joest: so 3@s does tip your hand more|pg|| nt|joest: david do you ever play club systems?|pg|| mb|p|an|double would have been takeout here|mb|3S|nt|dburn: I played one for about twenty years, yes|pg|| mb|d|an|takeout?|mb|p|nt|dburn: and when I did, that double of 3@s was penalty|pg|| nt|joest: ok. would you have bid 4@c as south? 3NT looks tempting but you could be off teh whole spade suit|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss adjusts JLall's second double on the tray, as they were quite far apart. JLall points at it and starts laughing|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|nt|dburn: this auction is tricky facing 6-7 with any distribution - South's second call is not obvious|pg|| nt|joest: 4@d looks as though jlall might still be looking for a fit - in case partner is say 1-3-4-5?|pg|| nt|joest: but I suspect this may be uncharted waters -- even for them|pg|| nt|dburn: but we used to treat 7+ as a positive, so I would have bid 3@d with the North hand - not that this would have helped matters much|pg|| nt|joest: ic|pg|| nt|dburn: here, though, no one knows that anyone has a six-card suit - this could easily be a floundering auction with no one having a spade stop|pg|| nt|joest: so Im' presuming they could have passed out 3@s? so that double showed 'extras' within context?|pg|| nt|dburn: and no one knows what 4@h means if South now bids it|pg|| nt|joest: but from Bathurst's perspective, once he knows partner has clubs and presumably spade shortness it takes almost nothing to make 6@c|pg|| nt|dburn: I don't think they are allowed to pass out 3@s|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: South's pass over 3@H I believe was forcing, but I suspect North's over 3@S would not have been|pg|| nt|joest: How could that be Oren?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: South is captain, and North is limited. How can North force South?|pg|| nt|joest: North forced to bid over 3@h but not over 3@s?|pg|| nt|joest: maybe that makes sense sinice you know south will get another shot over 3@s now that I think about it|pg|| mb|6C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: straightforward for sure: an dthe winning positin|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|joest: excellent job by n-s|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d3|nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss shakes his head|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 6 hampson opened 1N=14-16 martel overcalled 3@C take THAT you youngsters|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Asks JLall a question|pg|| nt|joest: Bathurst could make 7 iif were forced to go all out and work diamonds|pg|| nt|dburn: I don't thik so - that spade lead has removed a key entry|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Live video: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXeOEeVxXN9Jj-UXRxO_C9A|pg|| nt|joest: yes you're right|pg|| nt|ahollan2: but on 6 fleisher couldn't resist trying 3N which is doomed|pg|| nt|dburn: Moss may be wondering whether to put up the king, which might be needed if South had the singleton queen|pg|| nt|dburn: in truth, I don't think it matters what he plays, but of course he does not know|pg|| nt|joest: that would put Bathurst on quite a weak hand for the bidding but if had this same hand with stiff Q you're right Moss would need to hop king right now|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss folds his cards and sighs|pg|| nt|dburn: well, he knows that the trump suit will provide declarer with enough entries|pg|| nt|dburn: so he has plenty to sigh about|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss mutters to himself (I caught "diamonds... natural"), shakes his head again, fairly agitated|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Holds his head in his hands|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss: "Sorry"|pg|| nt|joest: btw for those of you who would like to sneak a peek into this room click on the "video" button on the lower left|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Or if you're on the Windows version, leave the table and come back. I'm told you get a message with the video link|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|c6|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|h4|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: other room 1@C=2+ 2@D=weak jumpshift 3N=end|pg|| pc|s4|nt|Vugraphzfe: Bathurst looked surprised when Grue won the @DQ|pg|| pc|c8|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| nt|joest: so they came to rest in 2@d at the other table?|pg|| nt|dburn: not sure why - did he think Moss was taking half an hour over whether to split honours or not?|pg|| nt|joest: oh 3NT i c|pg|| nt|joest: sorry|pg|| nt|joest: so a big swing back to Diamond|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Bathurst: "Sorry" JLall: "Take your time."|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Ah, Moss thought 4@C was NON-forcing|pg|| nt|joest: Bathurst is wondering what is more likely: sustaining a heart ruff by west, or suffering a diamond overruff |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Which explains some of the confusion|pg|| mc|12|nt|Vugraphzfe: Bathurst shows his hand to Grue, says "tell me if it doesn't matter." Grue: "It doesn't matter." Making 6|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Bathurst remains at the table while the others take a break|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SJ53HKQ984DCAK986,SAQ642H3DA954CQ72,SKT97HJT65DQT2CT4,S8HA72DKJ8763CJ53|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|marlowepi: Evening, all. I understand the 2D call, but it doesn;t feel right to me. You don;t really want a diamond lead, you have playability in partner's opened suit, partner may misjudge ...|pg|| nt|marlowepi: the value of his diamond holding (whether good or bad), there is reason to think partner has a good hand, and if the fourth chair has the good hand 2D doesnt do all that much to ...|pg|| nt|marlowepi: inconvenience him|pg|| mb|1N!|an|semi forcing|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = 10-15|pg|| mb|2S|an|!h and m|mb|p|nt|kareno: Fine analysis, Marshall|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room did make 6@C on 7|pg|| nt|kareno: Fleisher running out of time|pg|| nt|reisig: 4@h - I bet :)|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s8|nt|reisig: wrong ..1st time :)|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|h4|pg|| nt|marlowepi: hang onto it Richie, somenbody is likely to make that call before the match is over|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|h7|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SJ53HKQ984DCAK986,SAQ642H3DA954CQ72,SKT97HJT65DQT2CT4,S8HA72DKJ8763CJ53|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|semiforcing|nt|joest: tough call here: 2@s michaels?|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: also found by Martel|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s8|nt|joest: some mighthave contented themselves with 3, not knowing partner's minor but the four card support does not grow on trees|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|nt|joest: So jlall will suffer a spade ruff here, as well as the trump ace but that should be about it|pg|| pc|s9|pg|| nt|dburn: well, he may not suffer those at once|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|hJ|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|s6|pc|h6|mc|11|nt|joest: yes grue needed to guess whether the lead was from a singleton or doubleton|pg|| nt|joest: but only the overtrick was at stake|pg|| pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3S4HAK42DAT9753CAT,SKJT762HJ53DCK873,SQ93HT87DJ82CQJ54,SA85HQ96DKQ64C962|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D!|nt|ahollan1: Lall did jump to 4@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: on 8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|2D!|an|natural, !d's|nt|ahollan1: 2@D=nat but is hand too good? can't think of any other option though|pg|| nt|reisig: anybody like ...1 @h?|pg|| nt|kit: hate it|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yes acbl alert=nat|pg|| nt|kareno: No I don't, Richie|pg|| nt|reisig: :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: maybe Marshall Miles would try 1@H|pg|| mb|2S!|an|NF|nt|kit: neg free bid|pg|| nt|marlowepi: I am not advocating 1H but some of its downsides are statistically much less likely once partner is a passed hand and at favorable hues to boot|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Sort of like if partner opened 11-13 NT (which he basically did) and natural 2@D overcall|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: we saw earlier but don't ask which day that EW us TRF after 1@D-(2@C) |pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: Well, guess where you would be playing if you overcall 1@H. It won't be diamonds.|pg|| mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: Kit - thx for comparison with 1N-(2@D) makes it easier to understand & remember|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dJ|nt|ahollan1: moss continues to have sound openings when vull so 1@D opening in other room was by SOUTH|pg|| nt|kit: I think declarer can stagger home with 6 spade tricks and 1 trick in each side suit.|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: bathurst in 4@D|pg|| nt|reisig: 3@s ...some great shot!|pg|| nt|kit: Bidding will help declarer pick up spades -- but he needs to use his lone dummy entry wisely|pg|| nt|marlowepi: yes, though the king of spades could theoretically drop the 9 on his right, giving him an extra entry. not to be though|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| nt|kit: South really does figure to have AK of hearts for his double of 3@S, so if have to play him for ace-doubleton of clubs|pg|| nt|kit: Or can finess 10 of hearts, which works.|pg|| nt|kit: there is some control problem -- if he cashes queen of diamonds, he can get tapped out. If not, it might get stranded.|pg|| nt|marlowepi: if heknows AK of hearts on his right, then he could start clubs low from hand|pg|| nt|kit: So it looks like maybe he does have to finesse 9 of hearts|pg|| nt|marlowepi: I mean tyhat would be an option|pg|| nt|kit: If he leads spade honor now, North might to best to cover -- but that isn't obvious|pg|| nt|kit: Perhaps he should have taken first round spade finesse to keep better control of things.|pg|| nt|marlowepi: what i am saying is that there is a decision I think. If his RHO has any ace-third of clubs, he isnt dependent on the ten of hearts|pg|| nt|kareno: He can't afford to pitch a heart- must develop that trick.|pg|| nt|marlowepi: If his RHO has ace-to-3 in clubs he can take 8 black tricks and a D unless it is too late for me here|pg|| nt|kit: A case could be made for playing heart to queen now. Anything South does will be helpful.|pg|| nt|kareno: That would make south 1-3-6-3 exactly for the auction|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|d5|pg|| nt|kit: In fact, the more I think about it I believe that is the best play|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|kit: And I still think it is -- particularly since North didn't cover spade|pg|| nt|kit: If North had covered spade, then concept wouldn't work so well as danger of promotion on 4th round of diamonds.|pg|| nt|kit: Declarer apparently agrees with me.|pg|| nt|kit: Now I don't think South has any recourse|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|h9|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3S4HAK42DAT9753CAT,SKJT762HJ53DCK873,SQ93HT87DJ82CQJ54,SA85HQ96DKQ64C962|sv|e|mb|p|nt|joest: at the other table they did hang short so still more IMPs headed Diamond's way|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|an|2+|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|joest: Fleisher electing to bid 3@h on the same action that jlall bid 4|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|2S!|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|joest: So, again, a matter of partner discussion whether bidding 2@s shows a minimum (b/c already forced there) or something extra|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue alerted his 2@S and wrote something I couldn't read|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: Grue actually has ahand that couldmake something opposite a spade limit raise if his partner's cards were elsewhere|pg|| mb|p|pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| nt|ahollan2: hampson opened 1@D as east|pg|| nt|joest: bathurst can't get to dummy to make the diamond play he'd like to|pg|| pc|dA|pc|s2|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 3@SX in other room and after fleisher showed @D tolerance|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|joest: 3@s X looks like that haschances to make in the other room|pg|| mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue: "Sorry with the lead."|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SJ865H976DQCJ7542,SK42HAQT42D974CQ9,S9HK83DKT6532CKT8,SAQT73HJ5DAJ8CA63|sv|b|mb|1C!|nt|kit: Fleisher better get going or we aren't going to have a final segment.|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 17+BAL|pg|| mb|1N!|nt|ahollan1: 1@H=8-11, not 5+@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: drat 1N = 12+hcp 5+@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|an|relay|nt|kit: Good result for E-W in closed room. 4@S might not fare so well.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|an|3-5-3-2 or 2-3|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d6|nt|kit: Not an easy lead for North, but he found the winner.|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pg|| nt|kareno: club is the obvious shift from south's hand I'd say|pg|| nt|kit: With known heart suit danger, club shift seems clear|pg|| nt|kit: Althoough if declarer has Q10 of clubs and weaker hearts it could be wrong.|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d2|nt|adamw: I'm back, but the match has not tightened up. Quite the contrary.|pg|| nt|kit: this one is double figure pickup for Fleisher|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|kit: But (spoiler alert) next hand not so good for Fleisher|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hK|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h5|nt|kareno: Well that may put paid to their chances for good|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SJ865H976DQCJ7542,SK42HAQT42D974CQ9,S9HK83DKT6532CKT8,SAQT73HJ5DAJ8CA63|sv|b|nt|joest: this match ona pace to be over soon at the direction it'sheaded|pg|| mb|1N|an|15-17|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1N = 15-17|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c4|nt|joest: while I can't be sure I think Grue was checking to be sure he wasn't missing a 5-4 heart fit. Barring that he is going to take his chances in 3NT|pg|| nt|ahollan2: any comments about Grue 2@C rather than TRF then 3N COG?|pg|| nt|joest: other than the one I just made? :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Seems like the kind of thing you might do, down 70, looking for some action?|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| nt|joest: so the bad news is that thte club king is offside. The good news is that clubs are 5-3 and that the king of hearts is in the three cared holding|pg|| nt|ahollan2: sorry Jack i was typing when your comment popped up|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue (after the first couple club tricks): "I hate this game so much"|pg|| nt|joest: I was just kidding :) np|pg|| nt|joest: jlall mulling over a diamond switch|pg|| nt|joest: but if declarer has but two diamonds|pg|| nt|joest: and only three clubs|pg|| nt|joest: yet no four hearts he would have to 5-3-2-3|pg|| nt|joest: so if declarer had @SAQJxx @HJxx @DAJ @CAxx|pg|| nt|joest: the diamond switch is the winner|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg|| nt|joest: but as usual partner does not have the perfect hand :) |pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|mc|9|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1S54H652DQT96543C6,SKQJ63H93D2CAT432,SA982HAK8DKJ7CQJ9,ST7HQJT74DA8CK875|sv|o|mb|3D|mb|3S|mb|3N|mb|d|mb|p|nt|kit: Acually 3NT makes unless East finds not obvious club lead (or shift after 10S ducked)|pg|| nt|bettinakal: setting up a@c?|pg|| nt|kit: sorry, no, spade lead just beats it outright.|pg|| mb|p|nt|aardv: 4@Dx made because East switched to a small club when he won @DA|pg|| nt|kit: Same start at other table, but South ran|pg|| mb|p|pc|hJ|nt|kit: And now it is cold, so will actually be 1 IMP for Fleisher|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|nt|kareno: My, heart lead gives it up|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d4|nt|kit: And now may shift to club for overtrick|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|kit: Looks like 4@D should have been defeated at other table, but defense slipped.|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|d7|pc|sT|pc|dQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dT|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c4|pc|s8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|cT|pc|h8|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d6|mc|9|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1S54H652DQT96543C6,SKQJ63H93D2CAT432,SA982HAK8DKJ7CQJ9,ST7HQJT74DA8CK875|sv|o|nt|joest: a 3@d opener?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss: "The @D7 was a good card to have. Meant I was going 8 always. I'd still be thinking if the @D7 wasn't in dummy."|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue: "What were your spades, Brad?"|pg|| mb|3D|mb|3S|nt|ahollan2: isn't that a hamman-ism [but maybe came before] don't play me for the perfect hand - i don't have it|pg|| nt|joest: at this stage Grue might well bid 3!|pg|| nt|joest: @s|pg|| mb|3N|nt|joest: might well at any stage but this is a slight stretch|pg|| mb|d|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: a little poker there maybe|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: Moss was right that 3NT was goingdown|pg|| nt|ahollan2: everything except 3N looks like poker|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|joest: Bathurst was equally right to look at his hand a second time!|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| nt|joest: so declarer doesn't have enough clubs to build a second club trick so rates to drift quietly one down|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Moss asks about style. JLall: "It's usually not very good, here it sounds like he's in the lower [range]. ... Not like you guys, but not sound [chuckles]"|pg|| nt|joest: In the open room the Diamond team is closing in on making 3@s doubled|pg|| nt|ahollan2: only on trick 5 in 3@SX|pg|| nt|joest: back on board 9|pg|| nt|ahollan2: oooh then a burst of 2 tricks|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Another 12 imps to Diamond, and the lead is pushing 100|pg|| nt|joest: These might well be the final four hands of the event|pg|| nt|ahollan2: and claim making for 730 and another 12 to diamond or what Jack said|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|s4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|d3|pg|| mc|10|nt|joest: 87 imp spread|pg|| pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2S962HAK7DQJ82C852,SAKQJ54HT86D6CQ93,S87H54DAKT9753CT7,ST3HQJ932D4CAKJ64|sv|n|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|2H|an|Negative Free Bid|nt|kit: Normal 4@S down 1 on proper defense. N-S need to not bid too much.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: another negative freebid?|pg|| mb|2S|nt|kareno: How about 4@h?|pg|| mb|3S|nt|kit: 4@H does work better, but AKQJxx is called trumps.|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: On high diamond lead, we will see how good N-S signalling methods are.|pg|| mb|p|pc|dK|nt|marlowepi: well dumy is pretty exposed|pg|| nt|kit: I think South will play jack|pg|| nt|kareno: South will scream for a heart shift|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: closed room has finished the set|pg|| nt|kit: And there it is.|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|kareno: Jack is clearest|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|s7|mc|9|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2S962HAK7DQJ82C852,SAKQJ54HT86D6CQ93,S87H54DAKT9753CT7,ST3HQJ932D4CAKJ64|sv|n|nt|joest: whoa! Moss switched to a club which permitted the heartto go away|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|joest: I was reporting on a doubled contract in the other room while a misdefense permitted the one right here to make|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: the spread will be at 100 soon|pg|| pc|dK|nt|joest: Moss could have beaten it with anything but the low club which set up the ruffng finesse|pg|| pc|d4|nt|joest: 4@s a state of the match bid. |pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h5|nt|joest: now a heart ruff takes it down one trick|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| nt|joest: and here that comes|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h7|mc|9|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3S75HK742DA982CAT7,SQJT98HJ8DQ754CKJ,SK432HT9DT63CQ942,SA6HAQ653DKJC8653|sv|b|nt|kareno: Not the queen because south does not want north to think he should continue|pg|| mb|p|nt|aardv: queen says partner can underlead, jack is suit preference|pg|| mb|1N!|an|14-16|mb|p|nt|kareno: There it is. Exactly|pg|| mb|2H!|an|!s|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 14-16|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|nt|kit: Some decent results for Fleisher in other room on last 3 boards, so match might not be over.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|nt|marlowepi: perhaps not over, but the corpulent mezzosoprano is clearing her throat|pg|| nt|kit: This wasn't the killer, but there will be time to recover.|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: meckwell have mechanisms to differentiate COG [choice of game] where opener MUST bif 4M with 3-fit and hands where opener gets to decide with 3-fit|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dK|nt|kit: Getting a little nervous now, but still should be okay|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| nt|kit: uh oh -- would have done a lot better to win that trick|pg|| nt|kit: Now if declarer guesses clubs, has 4 spades, 2 hearts, 2 diamonds, 1 club|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d5|nt|kit: But not really -- can dump declarer back on board with diamond, after squeezing dummy with king of hearts.|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sT|mc|8|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3S75HK742DA982CAT7,SQJT98HJ8DQ754CKJ,SK432HT9DT63CQ942,SA6HAQ653DKJC8653|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C!|an|5 !S, const. to inv|nt|joest: ok Oren what's this one?|pg|| nt|joest: ok thx|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|an|some interest|nt|ahollan2: sorry 1@H = sound |pg|| nt|joest: seems like a perfect description. |pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|an|2 !H, NF|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2@C = 5+@S, competitive to INV, NF|pg|| nt|joest: and 2@d?|pg|| nt|ahollan2: that's all i have|pg|| nt|joest: but I demand more|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue wrote something that looks like "some invite"|pg|| nt|joest: :)|pg|| nt|gosia: interesting treatment|pg|| nt|joest: well 2@h looks natural|pg|| mb|2S|an|2 !S, NF|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: Yes, 2@H shows a doubleton|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|nt|gosia: new to me|pg|| nt|ahollan2: dueling KJ tight|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: 2@s might have beena bit more comfortable|pg|| nt|joest: or 2@h for that matter|pg|| nt|gosia: 2@c over 1 major these days is gf and may be 2 so that 2 @d= 5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dK|nt|joest: grue has no sure reenty to the spades even if he worked them so he plays on diamonds|pg|| nt|joest: if this wins isuspect we will see a heart toward the jack|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d5|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|nt|ahollan2: i think Oren should have entered alert of 2N as forcing just to see if we were awake|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Lol, I'm not nearly that tricky|pg|| pc|s7|nt|gosia: Oh I see - they play the Kaplan Inversion|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|nt|ahollan2: nope not Kaplan Inversion since 1N says nothing about @S 1@H-1N = RELAY, FG|pg|| nt|joest: On board 10 the diamond team reached 4@s instead of the 3NT reached here. That might be too hard to work so some imps coming back to Fleisher|pg|| pc|h2|nt|joest: but still probably too little too late|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| nt|gosia: he shd make because of the good spots|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s6|nt|gosia: wd|pg|| mc|8|nt|joest: nicely done|pg|| pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SJT7HAQJ3DJT92CKJ,SA9863H7542DQ875C,S54HK86DK63CAQ932,SKQ2HT9DA4CT87654|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: martel squeezed down to claim|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C!|an|2+|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 2@H in other room was just weak Michaels|pg|| nt|marlowepi: would be nice to reach 4H NS|pg|| mb|2S!|nt|kit: N-S might stagger into 4@H|pg|| nt|kit: But unfortunately that won't come home.|pg|| mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 2@S = @C, INV+|pg|| nt|kit: Now they have a chance for a plus score on defense, and they might take it. I think 2@S shows balanced game force, no spade stopper.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: I can see South doubling here. I have no idea why East bid 3@C.|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: I can't imagine as south (assuming north's cuebid is a GF) how they will find 9 tricks.|pg|| pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: i may be hallucinating again have we seen KJ tight three times in last 2 boards?|pg|| nt|marlowepi: probably thought his hand too good for competitive 3S|pg|| nt|kit: Well, not as big a plus score as possible, but assuming they beat this it is plus|pg|| nt|gosia: trump lead else a push|pg|| nt|kareno: Excellent lead.|pg|| nt|kit: Trump lead more than obvious, and found.|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|adamw: -2 now|pg|| nt|kit: So declarer gets 6 trump tricks and a diamond trick|pg|| nt|ahollan1: is @D10 a conventional split?|pg|| nt|kit: Yes, I think so|pg|| nt|adamw: Declarer played to make.|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| nt|kareno: Must be - you need to agree with your partner on how you split towards the closed hand|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| nt|kit: He could never make , unless South ducked king of diamonds.|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|s8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|s2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|s9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sA|mc|7|nt|kit: drawing trump and conceding|pg|| pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SJT7HAQJ3DJT92CKJ,SA9863H7542DQ875C,S54HK86DK63CAQ932,SKQ2HT9DA4CT87654|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|an|2+|mb|2H|an|majors|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|d|an|values|nt|joest: 2@h Michaels?|pg|| nt|ahollan2: over nebuloust 1@D common to use 2@D=nat and 2@H = weak Michaels|pg|| nt|joest: well that it is|pg|| nt|joest: certainly not 'textbook'|pg|| nt|ahollan2: with better hand some other bid used - common choice 3@C|pg|| nt|joest: but that's not what we were expecting|pg|| mb|3S|nt|Vugraphzfe: Don't you mean 3@D?|pg|| nt|ahollan2: Moss did well to find Grue's 5-bagger|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: this might get doubled just because north nor south will have anything better to do|pg|| mb|d|an|values|mb|p|nt|gosia: trump lead killer|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i thought 3@C used for strong Michaels so that 3@D can ASK|pg|| nt|gosia: well 1 down and maybe make|pg|| nt|ahollan2: but i see that meckwell do use 2@H & 3@D|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: I've never heard of anyone playing 3@C as strong Michaels over a Precision 1@D, though that doesn't mean it doesn't happen|pg|| mb|4D|nt|ahollan2: i'll defer to Oren|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|joest: not the contract of anyone's dreams |pg|| pc|sA|nt|ahollan2: i may be mixing that with Ghestem, which shows specific 2-suiters|pg|| pc|s4|nt|ahollan2: i have dreams about this kind of contract all the time|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| nt|ahollan2: and i haven't played in years|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|gosia: good hand for upsd signals :)|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|d8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|d3|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| nt|ahollan2: Jack fyi on 11 Greco also overcalled 3@D with 3@S -- Martel did NOT run over 3NX|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| nt|joest: so from southh's perspective lefty was 5=5=3=0|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|d7|pc|c3|pg|| nt|gosia: moysians on the 4 level - oy - but 3@s close to a make |pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|h9|nt|joest: but twasn't so|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|hT|nt|ahollan2: oh but lead was @HJ|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SJ83HKQ5DT95CQ865,S5HJ764DAJ2CKJT74,S7642HT932DQ8764C,SAKQT9HA8DK3CA932|sv|n|mb|p|nt|kit: And successful slam bid and made on last board by Fleisher, which could be big pickup.|pg|| nt|kareno: I expect e/w to find this slam|pg|| mb|p|nt|gosia: I think we will have 1 more quarter to watch|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C!|an|Strong|nt|Dinos1: .|pg|| nt|kit: Even if they find it, they still have to make it which is far from clear.|pg|| nt|kareno: True, they may not make it with silent opponents.|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H!|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|gosia: surprised Greco's pass ?|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 18+ BAL|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seems 1@H still 8-11,, not 5+@S even by ph|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think just 1@H=8-11 and not 5+@S now nat|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but pure guesswork on my part|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure if bigtrain could have helped here|pg|| mb|4D!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4@D =RKC @C [i bet]|pg|| nt|kit: Anyway margin is such that the final segment will certainly be played, although it might be somewhat swingy.|pg|| mb|4N|an|2 KC, no !CQ|mb|p|nt|gosia: I have my seatbelt on :)|pg|| mb|6C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Luck of auction has South on lead with natural heart lead, so declarer will need to guess the clubs|pg|| mb|p|pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: seems inefficient to retain the RM Lite [aka meck lite] response structure for passed hand since all postives other than 1@H show 12+|pg|| nt|kit: Don't know, but it feels like he will go wrong|pg|| nt|bettinakal: cant go down, @s take care of @h|pg|| nt|ahollan1: bigtrain was login name for Walter Johnson who was our meckwell guru|pg|| nt|kit: And then have to take diamond finesse and go down 2.|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg|| nt|marlowepi: he has agony coup doesnt he?|pg|| nt|kareno: ??|pg|| nt|ahollan1: agony coup?? not a phrase i know please elaborate|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|nt|aardv: yes, but he might take the spade finesse|pg|| pc|cK|nt|kit: And there it is |pg|| pc|d4|pg|| nt|marlowepi: even if you misguess trumps, play two tops then spades|pg|| nt|kareno: Must be a Croatian term.|pg|| nt|adamw: Needs to play very well now.|pg|| nt|kit: how can spade finesse help him?|pg|| nt|adamw: @D hook will see him home.|pg|| nt|aardv: same lie, but @SJ with north|pg|| nt|marlowepi: it is a French term, le coup d'agonie|pg|| nt|kareno: @d hook?|pg|| nt|kit: hmm -- maybe he has a chance with top spades, jack dropping|pg|| nt|bettinakal: he will make...anybody wants to bet? :)|pg|| nt|marlowepi: yes as advertised|pg|| nt|aardv: combination play looks best|pg|| pc|s5|nt|kit: I guess so -- and it works|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|adamw: !|pg|| mc|10|nt|bettinakal: LOL ;)|pg|| nt|marlowepi: wow|pg|| nt|adamw: Closer final set.|pg|| nt|kit: huh? Why not combination, test spades and then diamond hook?|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SJ83HKQ5DT95CQ865,S5HJ764DAJ2CKJT74,S7642HT932DQ8764C,SAKQT9HA8DK3CA932|sv|n|nt|joest: well after all their great results north-south are entitled to a clunker now and then imho|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Last board here, 15 more after this to decide the match|pg|| nt|joest: oren here we differ|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: JLall: "Sorry, I could have passed." Bathurst: "I could have passed the double."|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan2: seems 3NX will make to counter 4@DX making|pg|| nt|gosia: absolutely - Not rooting for either side , as know most of them since they were babies :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: You think a withdraw is coming? You may be right|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D!|nt|joest: yeah b/c the 4d doubled hasn't even been scored upyet|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = (9)10-15, 2+@D|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@S = not 4+@H unless FG|pg|| nt|joest: so 2@d is an ART game force|pg|| mb|3H!|an|1=4=3=5|mb|p|nt|joest: 6@c looks like the spot for east-west here|pg|| nt|gosia: will clubs ever be bid ? :)|pg|| nt|joest: ok al you're up|pg|| nt|joest: or oren|pg|| nt|joest: 3@h = ?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: I think 1NT is anti-systemic. Typically Precision pairs "never" bid 1NT with a singleton|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: So I don't know|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i'm not sure i understand use of normal 2@C & 2@D as 2-way checkback what is 2@H after denying 4+@H?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: But Grue-Moss may do differently, they aren't exactly your standard Precision pair|pg|| nt|gosia: clubs used to get respect|pg|| nt|joest: my money is on them getting to clubs|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Al: some use 2@H as a natural GF, some use it as some sort of gadget. Maybe forces the next step, then shows some various hands|pg|| mb|4H|an|RKC !C|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: most big clubbers who play reverse flannery rebid 2@C with 1435|pg|| nt|gosia: Brad trying to remember what 3@h = ?|pg|| mb|5C|an|2 w/o !CQ|mb|p|mb|6C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: Well, apparently 1NT was systemic, as they have a way to show that shape|pg|| pc|d8|nt|gosia: ooh I'm impressed !|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|d7|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| nt|gosia: thought it was @s splinter|pg|| nt|gosia: 3H|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i have filled in so so many blanks in my notes with Oren at the helm|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: JLall: "He plays fast and then slow. ... Was a heart lead better?"|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|h4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|h6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s9|nt|Vugraphzfe: Grue (laughs): I found a way to make it|pg|| mc|12|nt|joest: welll I think this should be it|pg|| nt|joest: Thanks verymuch to our operator Oren|pg|| nt|joest: great job as usual|pg|| nt|joest: and thanks for your many many helpful comments as kibitzers|pg|| nt|ahollan2: agree amazing work from Oren|pg|| nt|gosia: I think we'll be back - I've been wrong before :)|pg|| nt|ahollan2: open room on 12|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Thanks all, we'll see you back in 20 minutes... or not|pg|| nt|joest: oh yes and thanks to you for all the system stuff Al!|pg|| pg||