vg|2015 Spingold Final,Segment 2 of 4,I,16,30,Cayne,21,Monaco,39| rs|3NW=,4SW-1,3NW+1,3NE+1,2SE=,2SW+1,4SW-1,4SW-1,2HW+1,4CW=,3NS=,3NS=,4SE+1,4SE+1,3NS+2,4CN-1,4HW+2,4HW+1,2DS=,1NS-2,4SW=,4SW=,3NW-1,3NW+2,3DW-2,2DW-1,3HN+1,4HN-1,4HW+3,4HE+3| pn|JEC,Zimmermann,Seamon,Multon,Helgemo,Versace,Helness,Lauria|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SK72H9863D5CT7642,SAJ543HQ7DAQ82CKQ,S86HA5DKJT63CAJ98,SQT9HKJT42D974C53|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|batman98: hi all|pg|| nt|reisig: hi hi :)|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|cT|nt|medwards: Yes it gets busy|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| nt|medwards: Sorry pvt|pg|| nt|batman98: thats what always happens when I try to play 3nt after finding a major suit fit. The darn opps always find my weakest suit to lead!!|pg|| nt|batman98: luckily they blocked the suit|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|nt|batman98: then the endplay will come|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|d3|pc|s9|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|dT|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cK|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|d7|pc|c2|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|hT|pc|c6|pc|d8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SK72H9863D5CT7642,SAJ543HQ7DAQ82CKQ,S86HA5DKJT63CAJ98,SQT9HKJT42D974C53|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: video of our table The one time I walked Phoenix Open [it was still called that]|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: well that was interesting copy/paste|pg|| nt|kareno: Hello from Las Vegas|pg|| nt|ahollan1: video of our table http://livestream.com/accounts/9203403/events/4266146|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|an|medium hand for 2!S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@S = 3-fit, 4-9|pg|| nt|kareno: In 1996, first time I did live vugraph (first time anyone did for that matter), I was in the vugraph room in Albuquerque and had to report that one of the players had fallen ...|pg|| nt|kareno: asleep!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think 3@D = medium hand|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: yes|pg|| pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: 2N was a RELAY that did not really clarify hand at all|pg|| nt|kareno: Hi Joe, Al :) |pg|| nt|Harmon: Karen when did you sneak in?|pg|| nt|kareno: That lead is very helpful for declarer.|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| nt|kareno: I'm working at home - have a couple hours before next interview.|pg|| nt|kareno: Hi, Harmon :)|pg|| pc|c3|nt|ahollan1: interviewer or interviewee|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|nt|kareno: I work for the Bureau of the Census, so interviewer|pg|| pc|s7|nt|barnets: hi all|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other table cayne-seamon v zimmermann-multon so i was wrong about zimm playing 1 & 3|pg|| nt|kareno: With trumps partially eliminated, declarer has some pressure on the north hand.|pg|| nt|barnets: he is up to 9|pg|| nt|barnets: by cashing club and playing h ducked|pg|| nt|barnets: then heart|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seamon overcalled 2@D with north hand|pg|| nt|kareno: And the outcome?|pg|| nt|kareno: So the contract went to 3nt - club lead would decimate it.|pg|| nt|kareno: I hear clubs were blocked and 3nt is making by west|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seamon lead vs 3N was @C8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oy but Cayne @C10|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|hQ|nt|Vugraphzfg: couldn't afford the heart 8?|pg|| nt|barnets: yes there is no dfence after the @C10 at trick 1|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: I guess the missing Heart 3 is enuough info|pg|| nt|kareno: Those interior sequences ... needed to lead the 9|pg|| nt|barnets: so he must duck this , then can be endplayed only for a nintht trick|pg|| nt|barnets: actually still only 9|pg|| nt|barnets: with just 2 heart winners|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| nt|barnets: we can see 9 not sure where a 10th can come from|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| nt|barnets: @DJ now|pg|| nt|barnets: a club lead gives contract|pg|| pc|c9|nt|kareno: so it does|pg|| nt|barnets: very strange|pg|| nt|atabey: yes. strange error for helness|pg|| nt|kareno: Helness defending like a manwith the @d k|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: hard to read the club situation |pg|| pc|sT|pc|c6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|nt|Psyck: Grosvenored|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|atabey: went back now|pg|| pc|cJ|mc|9|nt|kareno: Down again.|pg|| pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3S42HAJ85D87643CK7,SA76HQ4DQJ52CQT43,ST953H932DA9CJ982,SKQJ8HKT76DKTCA65|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfu: N is upset he didn't lead a different @c|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|2N|an|inv, no 4cM|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|nt|ritong: hi everyone|pg|| nt|batman98: Hi Henri|pg|| nt|reisig: Henri! :)|pg|| nt|ritong: i missed the warm up|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|nt|reisig: That's OK -- now we can open the bar!|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cK|nt|lrobb98: this hand is more fun at BAM or MP's......|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|cA|pg|| nt|lrobb98: even tho many are pros, at this point stamina is a factor....|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg|| nt|reisig: For commentators too!|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s3|pc|h7|pc|d6|pg|| nt|lrobb98: yea..and for kibitzers....I m writing an article on the aging brain and bridge..bottom line, simplify your system...|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|d7|pg|| nt|batman98: Multon and Zimmerman are playing Weak NT nonvul and Strong NT vul for those of you wondering why Multon did not open 1nt|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3S42HAJ85D87643CK7,SA76HQ4DQJ52CQT43,ST953H932DA9CJ982,SKQJ8HKT76DKTCA65|sv|o|nt|barnets: so helness made only play to give contract but versace did not believe it possible|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N - 15-17|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Psyck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosvenor_gambit|pg|| pc|d3|nt|atabey: yes but he played for -1 anyways. even if the finesse worked|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|nt|kareno: Opportunities lost on both sides by the Cayne team.|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pg|| nt|barnets: there must be something in the air in chicago maybe :)|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d6|nt|atabey: he makes if the finesse worked. sry |pg|| nt|ahollan1: more likely in the water|pg|| nt|kareno: Amazingly the air in Chicago was clear, cool and with low humidity|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SA3HKT2DQT9CQJT52,SK985H964D852CA64,SQJTH873DAJ763C98,S7642HAQJ5DK4CK73|sv|n|nt|batman98: thus here he will open 1nt|pg|| nt|batman98: well he better or I will look like a dummy|pg|| mb|1C|nt|ritong: cheers|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|an|4+!s|mb|p|nt|medwards: Well it lookss like Henri found the bar.|pg|| mb|2S|an|12-14 4!s|nt|batman98: I bet somebody paid him to open 1c|pg|| nt|ritong: richie friendly showed me the way|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: tough for NS to enter the auction....|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|reisig: :)|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s4|nt|lrobb98: as specs, of course, we want a nail biter till the end.....|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SA3HKT2DQT9CQJT52,SK985H964D852CA64,SQJTH873DAJ763C98,S7642HAQJ5DK4CK73|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: trivia: Chicago is known as The Windy City -- but that is NOT a weather report - comes from 19th century politicians being full of hot air|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+ but natural responses|pg|| mb|p|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i grew up in chicago and did not know that until i was adult living in Boston - which is windier|pg|| nt|atabey: looks cold +1 now|pg|| nt|ahollan1: politicians spewing hot air not unique -- just telling story about the City's nickname|pg|| nt|barnets: interesting Al and I am sure it continued through the centuries|pg|| nt|kareno: This should be a push. Could be an IMP to Cayne if this lead gives them time to develop hearts for an overtrick.|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sT|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h5|pc|c2|pc|c4|nt|atabey: club lead makes it impossible the overtrick. transfer system lost an imp this time|pg|| mc|9|nt|kareno: Chicago's problems are more with politicians going to jail!|pg|| pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SJ9H5432D965CAQT3,SAKQ86H6DKT73CJ94,S543HAQJ7DQJ82C52,ST72HKT98DA4CK876|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|lrobb98: On board 1, another hand(many like it) where 3NT makes, 4 of the major does not..there was a BW article on this, ran it thru a million times, 3NT often makes when the 8(or 9!!) card major does not...|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: especially with a little help from your friends|pg|| mb|2N|an|3+!s inv+|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s9|nt|Aurora: Hello all. We have also voice commentary in this room thanks to John Swanson (swanson), Jordan Chodorow (jcwla) and Gerhard Schiesser (mgsch). Login by http://www.bridgebase.com/ and join the table|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c5|nt|ritong: omg|pg|| nt|lrobb98: nice shift....|pg|| nt|lrobb98: altho without that shift the play would be very interesting...|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|s3|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|d7|pc|h7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SJ9H5432D965CAQT3,SAKQ86H6DKT73CJ94,S543HAQJ7DQJ82C52,ST72HKT98DA4CK876|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfg: that would be Illiinois|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2N!|an|3!Ss and 10-11 or 4!Ss 6-9|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Illinois something like 6 of last 8 governors have spent time in jail|pg|| nt|kareno: I can't separate Chicago from Illinois in my mind :)|pg|| mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: 2N = a) 4-fit, 6-9 b) 3-fit, 10-11|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|nt|barnets: in open north led a trump but won @Ha and shifted club|pg|| nt|atabey: looks pretty hopeless|pg|| nt|Aurora: Hello all. We have also voice commentary in this room thanks to Roland Wald (Walddk2), David Bird (BroLucius) and Graham Osborne (mayors). Login by http://www.bridgebase.com/ and join the table.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dK|pg|| nt|atabey: it would end in a sec with a @c lead which is not unreasonable|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h8|nt|kareno: Whoa!! Twenty kibs talking to me at once and not even about bridge... shhhh|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and button marked "NABC Results" takes you directly to National Swiss updates|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|barnets: down 1 in open|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seamon lead was @S|pg|| pc|c5|nt|atabey: so its a push now|pg|| nt|kareno: Three rounds of clubs now puts paid to the contract.|pg|| nt|Aurora: Live video for this room: http://livestream.com/accounts/9203403/events/4266146 |pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|s3|pc|c8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SQJ754HAD97543CQ6,S8HKJT975DQ2CAKT2,S932HQ8632DAKTCJ8,SAKT6H4DJ86C97543|sv|b|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: 2@c would be artificial here, so no choice|pg|| mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d6|nt|lrobb98: there is always a give and take with an artificial treatment, here, they could not find their 9 card fit....|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c6|nt|reisig: 2@h will play just fine :)|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|lrobb98: yes...|pg|| nt|ritong: the downside is small you lose 6M 4@c when @c suit plays better|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|dQ|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ritong: the upsides are so numerous that it would take too long to list them|pg|| nt|reisig: oh --- go ahead :)|pg|| nt|lrobb98: right...he had choices here in 2H, establish his diamond winner and ruff cards in his hand, or this way......|pg|| nt|ritong: and then i get "i ll write this up!" from you no, thanks|pg|| nt|reisig: ROFL|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h5|nt|ritong: :)|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h7|pc|dT|pc|d8|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|c4|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h6|mc|9|pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SQJ754HAD97543CQ6,S8HKJT975DQ2CAKT2,S932HQ8632DAKTCJ8,SAKT6H4DJ86C97543|sv|b|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = "Lauria" a) nat b) any strong hand [a version of Gazzilli]|pg|| mb|2D!|nt|atabey: 5@c they will try I thk. at least 4|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = 8+ hcp FG opposite strong hand|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = weak [so 4+@C]|pg|| mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: 3@C ostensibly to play|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|kareno: 3nt down on a diamond lead.|pg|| mb|4C|nt|ahollan1: so 3@H must show 6@H and top of minimum|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|atabey: good stop|pg|| nt|atabey: still problems|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Helness to Ver: You play all the contracts Versace: Yes, and I go down a lot|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kareno: Club lead might trick declarer|pg|| nt|atabey: now he is ok to make it. when trumps split|pg|| nt|kareno: Joe, we love it when you bring the room to life this way|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: full quote was "Yes, I got down a lot, sometimes when it is cold"|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d4|nt|atabey: 3@h was 6-4 for sure and 3@s was very nice bid|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Zimmermann playing 2@H|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|h5|pg|| nt|kareno: These guys are all congenial - all friends |pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: better than 3@S -- 3@C [again]|pg|| mc|10|nt|atabey: they coud beat it with heart overruff|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i found out yesterday we can manipulate the bbo lin file to accept insufficient bids :)|pg|| nt|atabey: but not easy to imagine stiff A|pg|| nt|kareno: Yes - requires an unlikely heart shift trick 2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: they seem to enjoy one another. One of them commented at the beginning of the session: "there will be no appeals at this table"|pg|| pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SAKJHAQ54D8CQT642,SQ7543HKJ3D94CKJ5,ST82HT96DAKJT2CA8,S96H872DQ7653C973|sv|n|nt|lrobb98: spade continuation by S would have beaten this one..curious line...|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|ritong: classical dilemma 1@h or 2@c|pg|| mb|2C|nt|reisig: This "looks" like a simple 3NT -- but every card is wrong for dcl|pg|| mb|p|nt|lrobb98: everything is off here..easy to get too high(even 4NT is high)....|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|medwards: Also diffulcult to defend|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: 2!by JEC ...puts Mike in a problem|pg|| nt|reisig: All ened OK|pg|| pc|s4|nt|ritong: 8 on top and a fragile west|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ritong: that will probably show on the @ds|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|h4|pc|d4|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Jimmy will come under pitching pressure first.....|pg|| nt|reisig: Not easy pitches|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|c4|nt|ritong: countdown starts here|pg|| nt|reisig: I bet @s 5|pg|| nt|lrobb98: best bet is a H, hoping declarer pitches his hearts and counts on clubs....|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|h2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|d2|pc|c7|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h6|pc|d7|nt|pdlit: @ck and then spade down 1|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| nt|reisig: Good try -- by everyone|pg|| nt|ritong: @cK would set the ninth trick|pg|| mc|9|nt|lrobb98: needed to keep his spade for a chance, blank the H King...|pg|| pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SAKJHAQ54D8CQT642,SQ7543HKJ3D94CKJ5,ST82HT96DAKJT2CA8,S96H872DQ7653C973|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+@D|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: NS open lowest of 4card suit when 44|pg|| mb|1S|mb|d|an|3 hearts|mb|p|nt|kareno: Bridge at the highest levels is like that for the most part.|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: good question from voices high above -- 1@H response or 2@C establishing FG|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: ACOL background SCREAMS 2@C|pg|| nt|kareno: My style is to bid 2@c first and then even when not playing 2/1 gf, the next bid of 2@h forces to game anyway.|pg|| pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: i do know that in meckwell system over 1@D:neb they only bid 2@C when TWO card discrepancy|pg|| nt|atabey: not one finesse works :) never seen something like this|pg|| nt|kareno: But these guys are total professionals who discuss their system all the time so who are we to second guess them?|pg|| nt|atabey: still he will find a way home I believe|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|Psyck: West will be in trouble guarding everything|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|c6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|h5|nt|kareno: West definitely under pressure. |pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|atabey: going for an endplay. not diddicult for helgemo|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i confess that i'm never confident about when cue followed by 3N is stronger than immediate 3N vs doubt about 3N [example: if only 1 stopper]|pg|| nt|barnets: a club now |pg|| nt|ahollan1: zimmermann did not bid with west hand|pg|| nt|barnets: works|pg|| nt|barnets: club west plays spade and club|pg|| nt|kareno: Well, that's a guess though it seems right with three clubs in south.|pg|| nt|barnets: west cshes|pg|| nt|barnets: tthats 4 |pg|| nt|ahollan1: my impression both zimmermann and cayne more conservative than other players on vugraph|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c7|nt|atabey: only heart finesse makes him down|pg|| nt|barnets: west makes 2 clubs and a spade dec scores long club|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|h2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|d2|pc|c9|pg|| nt|atabey: wd nice play|pg|| nt|kareno: west will be endplayed now.|pg|| pc|s7|mc|9|pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4S9763H864DQ54C865,ST42HKQ732D9CKQT2,S8HAJT9DAJT86C974,SAKQJ5H5DK732CAJ3|sv|e|mb|1S|nt|reisig: This board is too easy|pg|| nt|lrobb98: that was a great hand all the way around....|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|d2|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sT|mc|11|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4S9763H864DQ54C865,ST42HKQ732D9CKQT2,S8HAJT9DAJT86C974,SAKQJ5H5DK732CAJ3|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2N|an|3 spds 9-11 or 4 spds 6-9|nt|ahollan1: 2N still a) 4-fit, 6-9 b) 3-fit, 10-11 |pg|| mb|d|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|atabey: 4@s looks safe. even after a trump lead I guess|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: drat - i wondered if relay still applied over the DBL|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: fyi on 21 Cayne did start with 2@C rather than Helgemo's 1@H|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kareno: No surprise.|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| nt|barnets: Cayne plaayed his 3N exactly same as Helgemo|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|sT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s4|nt|kareno: For those few who don't watch them, Jimmy Cayne and various partners, most often Michael Seamon, play long IMP matches pretty much every day outside of major tournaments. So Cayne ...|pg|| nt|kareno: Seamon are an enormously practiced partnership|pg|| pc|d8|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|h2|pc|h9|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|h3|pc|hT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cK|pc|hJ|pc|h5|nt|atabey: hellness trying to protect helgemo's possible Jxxx in @c|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SKTHK92DAK975CK86,SA86543HAQ743D6C9,S97HT6DJT83CAQJT2,SQJ2HJ85DQ42C7543|sv|b|nt|ritong: difficult to predict the out come here|pg|| nt|ritong: 1NT 2@c for sure, then..|pg|| mb|1N|mb|2C!|an|majors|nt|medwards: DEpends on diamond view|pg|| mb|3N|nt|ritong: in which contract?:)|pg|| nt|medwards: 3NT|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: ah yes sorry 3NT by north was so clear dumb me|pg|| nt|lrobb98: will go right in diamonds here....probably......|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|medwards: YES after bidding|pg|| pc|s5|nt|ritong: :)|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sJ|nt|medwards: E-W missed their save|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|nt|lrobb98: so will he play for 6-5 or 5-5??..which is more likely??....|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|h3|pg|| nt|pdlit: 5-5|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ritong: playing @c three times would work better perhaps west will follow the three times if so...|pg|| pc|cK|pc|h7|pc|c2|nt|lrobb98: he should have played some more clubs, to get the count and not go down so many if the Q of diamonds was doubleton.....|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|c8|pc|s3|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|nt|ritong: curiously, here, it would probably misway him|pg|| pc|h2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h5|pc|sT|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s2|pc|d9|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|s8|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| nt|pdlit: Exactly, stiff @c and then might play to drop @dQ|pg|| nt|ritong: yes|pg|| mc|11|nt|ritong: luck sometimes is in subterranean stuff|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: now a short break|pg|| nt|lrobb98: so, is it really more likely to be 5-5??..some with 5-5 and not many fillers would not bid 2 clubs, but all would with 6-5|pg|| nt|ritong: with 6/5, west may reopen, as versace did , for that matter|pg|| nt|reisig: I would!|pg|| nt|ritong: for one, both 4M and 3 NT might make|pg|| nt|reisig: Right!|pg|| nt|ritong: for two, NS might misguess, as helness did, for that matter|pg|| nt|ritong: for three, even if pard passes and it makes, it s not the end of the world|pg|| nt|ritong: of course, if they redouble and make an uptrick, it is the end of the world|pg|| nt|reisig: :)|pg|| nt|ritong: still, you can hit for four you go down in 4M but it comes out being a nice sac|pg|| pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SKTHK92DAK975CK86,SA86543HAQ743D6C9,S97HT6DJT83CAQJT2,SQJ2HJ85DQ42C7543|sv|b|mb|1N|mb|2C|an|majors|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: both pairs 1N = 15-17|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C = @H & @S [if you hadn't already guessed]|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 22 another example of same contract with completely different auctions seamon never bid with north hand after 1@S-P-2@H|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|nt|atabey: 4@s would be a perfect sacrifise. helgemo surely play for diamonds 3-1 if 3NT stands|pg|| nt|kareno: I wonder if this double actually suggests bidding. Meanwhile Helness thinks so :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Helmess mumbles "I have to trust him [Versace]" before pulling the 4@C card|pg|| nt|atabey: that was a good gamble from versace and it worked|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i have NOT read this - but just given the url http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/another-appeal-probable-in-spingold/|pg|| nt|kareno: I just can't answer everybody! |pg|| nt|ahollan1: sure looks like extra offense rather than penalty|pg|| nt|kareno: 4@c will lose the first four tricks|pg|| nt|atabey: very effective. probably will gain some imp. very nice from versace|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: PASS is a good way to prevent NS from running|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: extra offense indeed; would make 4@S except for the lack of entry to E|pg|| nt|atabey: 3NT was unbeatable from south|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if you're going to peek 10 top tricks without major lead |pg|| nt|atabey: 4NT too but its not easy to bid it now|pg|| nt|kareno: With the obvious diamond guess|pg|| nt|barnets: in the 17 imp swing hand Lauria said he was told dec had 3 hearts in slam thats why he did not take his ace on opening lead|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: Versace has done the job - now he has to close the books on the hand.|pg|| nt|atabey: yes but its almost obvious like you said|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|Vugraphzfg: Helness; "tough for me"|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|nt|atabey: after helgemo sees singleton club with versace, he could play diamonds to break 2-2 ofcourse|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|ahollan1: surely someone will write-up this auction|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| nt|atabey: thats an other issue|pg|| pc|h7|pc|cT|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s4|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| nt|barnets: that is the reason director was called no ruling yet but after ruling the other side sure to appeal|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c8|nt|kareno: Yes, give up spade to get dummy entry.|pg|| pc|s3|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|d5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d7|mc|9|nt|barnets: I am told the director ruled the result stands|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Helness: "sorry, partner"|pg|| nt|barnets: and committee will be heard during dinner break|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: director here announcing no score change on the slam in the past set|pg|| pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SQ76H952DKJT932C9,ST8543HAT64DCQJ63,SJ92HJ7DAQ765CA84,SAKHKQ83D84CKT752|sv|o|nt|pdlit: Henri is recommending insurance|pg|| nt|ritong: especially when there is not certainty to go down|pg|| mb|2H!|an|5/4+ majors (could be 4/4/4/1)|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SQ76H952DKJT932C9,ST8543HAT64DCQJ63,SJ92HJ7DAQ765CA84,SAKHKQ83D84CKT752|sv|o|nt|kareno: Well, a Spingold committee is being assembled.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: another Spingold committee|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: yes -- director felt that although the note was not entirely clear, it was up to Lauria to clarify|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|kareno: I know nothing about the board number or the issues|pg|| nt|barnets: board 2|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: seems to me that we've had results for 3 big matches/events determined by committee in last couple of years|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=4+|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: i'm really waiting to say 1@C=usually 4+|pg|| nt|kareno: Was it on board 2?|pg|| mb|3D|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Well, it's a shame but nothing to do - appeals are part of the game.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yes Q1 Board 2 when lauria defending slam bid by zimmermann|pg|| nt|kareno: I was still asleep :)|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@S = helgemo in action|pg|| nt|atabey: helgemo psyched with the wrong major. good try anyways|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|h4|pc|d5|pg|| nt|barnets: 6@C looks good contract|pg|| nt|atabey: looks perfect|pg|| nt|barnets: hearts down on ruff|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|hK|nt|kareno: Now declarer can take 3 rounds of hearts and knock out the club.|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|barnets: Versaces X of 3n won 13 imps for his side|pg|| nt|kareno: Stella squeaking disapproval of my analysis!|pg|| nt|kareno: It was a great action|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|h6|pc|d6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|h9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 23 Cayne buys in 3N Zimmermann didn't find the DBL|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3SK85H973DAQ5CAQT2,SQT64HAQ84DK8C653,SJ73HJ65DT9642CJ8,SA92HKT2DJ73CK974|sv|e|nt|jcwla: Here's EW CC for Chennai: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/2015-Chennai/OpenTeams/Monaco/Multon-Zimmerman.pdf |pg|| mb|p|nt|jcwla: And NS CC: http://bridgewinners.com/convention-card/print/cayne-seamon |pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|nt|ritong: cute psych|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: Nice "shot" - MIke!|pg|| nt|ritong: "this pot is mine" seamon says|pg|| nt|medwards: Opening lead?|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|nt|ritong: i get infuriated messages like " IT IS NOT A PSYCH YOU MORON"...well, 2@c represents something he does not have in that sense it is a bluff in bridge we call that a psych|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| nt|pdlit: maybe "garbage stayman" intending to pass whatever S bids?|pg|| nt|ritong: thanks for your support anyway i m used to internet excessive talk:)|pg|| nt|reisig: You're lucky -- only 1500 here ...far worse - w 3500! :)|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ritong: i think lawrence's terminology is "drop dead"|pg|| nt|pdlit: he has a fine command of the language|pg|| nt|ritong: got it from him, perhaps he s not the father of the expression|pg|| pc|s8|nt|medwards: another spade now|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cK|nt|reisig: Much thinking ...2 IMPs at stake?|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|h5|nt|medwards: West is defending blind|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|h8|pc|d2|pc|c7|pg|| nt|pdlit: would it not be 5 imps if this makes?|pg|| nt|medwards: yes|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|dT|pc|hT|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d9|mc|8|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3SK85H973DAQ5CAQT2,SQT64HAQ84DK8C653,SJ73HJ65DT9642CJ8,SA92HKT2DJ73CK974|sv|e|nt|atabey: still good result as 6@c is impossible to reach|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Versace was pretty sure the 2 of spades was a singleton, given Helgemo's 1@S bid, so he was not eager to cross to dummy with a spade|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 15-17|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s4|nt|Vugraphzfg: Helness: "not so much" [in his dummy]|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|nt|rduran1216: I wonder how HH would've played xx there, normally it would be doubt|pg|| nt|atabey: -2 looks normal to me... or?|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sT|pc|d2|pc|c4|mc|5|pg|| qx|o26|st||md|4SJHKT53D9842CJ953,SQ854HAJDAKT5CKQ2,SAT96H984DQCT8764,SK732HQ762DJ763CA|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|ritong: in my opinion this is a clear fold|pg|| nt|ritong: even if pard has three good cards slam can t be cold|pg|| nt|medwards: Yes|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: Want my choice?|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ritong: yes you would raise 3@s, like i would and west gtes no headache:)|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|nt|reisig: Yup!|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|ritong: gets*|pg|| nt|pdlit: i am being asked about the Swiss, are there more uptodate results than round 6?|pg|| nt|ritong: in any case i dislike 1@s|pg|| nt|pdlit: a link to those results?|pg|| nt|reisig: He'll make this - for sure|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|nt|Aurora: results http://live.acbl.org/event/NABC152/SWIS/6/results?|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ritong: a 2NT rebid ranges the hand, and it is not a problem to find @ss back with a minimum of equipment|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|ritong: you can even set trump at the three level when responder has 5@h 4@s|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ritong: here he is a PH, but when he s not slam stays in the picture|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|s2|nt|reisig: A lot of this nonsense chatter ..is -- the hand is boring :)|pg|| mc|10|nt|ritong: ...?|pg|| pg|| qx|c26|st||md|4SJHKT53D9842CJ953,SQ854HAJDAKT5CKQ2,SAT96H984DQCT8764,SK732HQ762DJ763CA|sv|b|nt|kareno: It is possible to bid a phony Stayman 2@c with the north yarborough and pass any response|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: sry, went fast but the play was as you would expect,|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D|an|18-19 balanced|mb|p|mb|3C|an|asking|mb|p|mb|3D|an|no 5-card, at least one 4-card M|nt|atabey: yes we understand joe :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D|an|both majors|mb|p|nt|kareno: They may end up in spades which has some handling charges but will make game.|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = BAL, 18-19|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Lauria showed both majors and Versace's pick his|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@C = Puppet Stayan|pg|| nt|atabey: 4@s is safe even with the bad trump break|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Puppet Stayman, maybe 5+@H & 4@S, FG+|pg|| nt|kareno: Absolutely safe.|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: 3@D = 4@H &/o 4@S|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| nt|kareno: But you don't want to get too high with the e/w hands|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@D = 4@H & 4@S, no slam|pg|| nt|atabey: even they may gain something from this|pg|| nt|atabey: 5@s is not good|pg|| nt|ahollan1: saying Puppet Stayman really is bad use of a name|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sK|nt|kareno: But it is understood by that name the world over ... |pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm pretty sure 2@D denies 5@H/@S and responses focus primarily on @H length|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|d2|pg|| nt|atabey: he will play small spade now|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: claims conceding 3 spade tricks|pg|| mc|10|nt|atabey: claim|pg|| pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1SJT96HAT43DT64C86,SQ742HK87DAQ8CJ97,S85HQJ962DJ93CA54,SAK3H5DK752CKQT32|sv|o|nt|reisig: Great ..another Non- hand :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|an|10-13|mb|p|nt|medwards: Very good result for Cayne in CR|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|medwards: OH|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|an|forcing|mb|p|nt|Psyck: There was an exposed card as North dropped @cA on the table, hence this made in the other room|pg|| nt|pdlit: a non-hand? |pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: all right i have more interesting things to do than seeing my efforts called nonsense ciao folks|pg|| pc|h2|nt|ahollan1: closed room has finished the set|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: if not already mentioned in closed room @CA was an exposed card|pg|| nt|ahollan1: had to be discarded on @D|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h4|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1SJT96HAT43DT64C86,SQ742HK87DAQ8CJ97,S85HQJ962DJ93CA54,SAK3H5DK752CKQT32|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|mb|2C!|an|5+ clubs, F|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+@C|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = nat, forcing|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|BobThomson: It does not make 3NT, but it makes 4@s|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|atabey: 3NT and down some|pg|| nt|kareno: Oops|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|rduran1216: too bad, 3h is going down a lot|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: helness: "nice hand"|pg|| nt|kareno: Easy 5@c|pg|| pc|h5|nt|atabey: he will try both spades and diamonds to break even. one of them 4-2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h6|pc|c3|pc|h4|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|nt|atabey: 3@h how many down aaron?|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Helness dropped the club ace on the table ever so briefly. |pg|| nt|rduran1216: rough count is 7 tricks for the defense, interesting choice Versace had|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: discussing what to do. Versace says "you play the ace of clubs on the ace of diamonds?" smiling, but I think that is what he wants him to do. Director being called|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 25 [1NS-2] Seamon made call that we should have discussed with 3352 yarborough he bid Stayman so Cayne declaring 2@D|pg|| nt|kareno: Well, someone has to realize no club ace, no notrump game. I think 3@s from east would have been better - can't have 4|pg|| nt|kareno: Al, we (one of us at least) did discuss that|pg|| nt|kareno: Go back and take a peek :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ok i missed :(|pg|| nt|rduran1216: east double is very normal though, there are many who advocate passing w 4333 types in situations like that|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Helness has to play the ace of clubs on the 4th diamond -- so making 3|pg|| nt|kareno: That was a major exposed card? Painful.|pg|| mc|11|nt|barnets: So helness had an accident|pg|| pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2SAKJ74H97DK8765C3,ST98HATDAQJT42CQ2,S2HKJ8542D3CK8754,SQ653HQ63D9CAJT96|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: for ALL of those who don't want to scroll up - on 27 the @CA was an exposed card that had to be discarded on the last @D|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|c4|pc|s5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: during the break there will be appeal of Q1 board 2|pg|| nt|reisig: Could be a HUGE difference!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: there is thread on www.bridgewinners.com re: the hand that is going to committee|pg|| nt|pdlit: thank you Al|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|d3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|medwards: LOw to the nine?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: players are concerned about time it is taking to play|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Zimmermann is not feeling well (headache)|pg|| pc|dA|pc|h8|pc|d9|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|c9|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|d7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h4|pc|cT|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sK|mc|7|pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2SAKJ74H97DK8765C3,ST98HATDAQJT42CQ2,S2HKJ8542D3CK8754,SQ653HQ63D9CAJT96|sv|n|nt|atabey: it was very difficult to pass 3@h for versace. it looks so obvious to us now :)|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|r|mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+@D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: DBL = 4/5@S|pg|| nt|barnets: both Rosenberg and Zia had a policy never to benefit from these accidnts|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: not sure about RDBL many seem to use it now to say good hand, 2-fit|pg|| mb|p|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| nt|kareno: Well, Barnet, problem is you have teammates. If the team concurs beforehand, yes|pg|| nt|barnets: I am sure the answer is what would the other team do ?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: there was a brief discussion about what H-H's teammates had done in the past in similar situations.....|pg|| nt|atabey: rdbl was prepatory for the next bid I thk. but 2@d was so good for him. so he passed it out|pg|| nt|kareno: I think it has to be a team policy|pg|| nt|kareno: Not an individual decision|pg|| nt|levysh: I believe that exploiting mistakes is the targer of each sport|pg|| nt|barnets: R and Z made it clear to their team beforehand|pg|| nt|levysh: A tennis player refuse a point after his opp makes a double fault?|pg|| pc|h9|nt|barnets: I am sure that is not a correct analogy|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: double fault is poor play - not analogous|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hT|nt|levysh: where will be the line ? what about lead out of turn?|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c4|nt|rduran1216: I've been vocal about this but I think bridge mistakes and mechanical mistakes are very diff|pg|| nt|levysh: what about not splitting honors?|pg|| nt|kareno: That is a mistake, not an accident|pg|| nt|barnets: it is quite ok to argue this way and play exactly to the rules it is one way|pg|| nt|barnets: the other is also quite reasonable|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|d7|pg|| nt|rduran1216: if I'm playing at a club and the person to my left whose 90 w Parkinson's drops a card by mistake, sure I can call a director and claim it's a penalty card, but that just isn't why those rules exist|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3SQJ92HJ54DA4CA964,SA6HK93DKJ8CQJT87,ST4HAQT876D9652C5,SK8753H2DQT73CK32|sv|b|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|medwards: Lots of Kibs coming up with the right defense|pg|| nt|reisig: Might "try" and quit at 3@h|pg|| nt|batman98: will jec just bid 2nt or just blast 4|pg|| nt|batman98: he should just blast 4h|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|nt|batman98: thats not really a jec weak 2 bid anyway|pg|| mb|3H!|an|min, no feature |mb|p|nt|medwards: True|pg|| mb|p|nt|reisig: See?|pg|| mb|p|pc|s3|nt|medwards: Again too much chatter to respond to every one, Sorry.|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|s5|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3SQJ92HJ54DA4CA964,SA6HK93DKJ8CQJT87,ST4HAQT876D9652C5,SK8753H2DQT73CK32|sv|b|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|barnets: It is one thing at the club and another in the final of a majo event|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: The club is different obviously. My partner told an opponent in the Senior Swiss to put back his lead out of turn and I concurred.|pg|| nt|atabey: 3@h is so agressive for me|pg|| nt|ahollan1: anyone betting that Seamon duplicates that action?|pg|| nt|barnets: I would hope nobody would claim silly club penalties|pg|| pc|c2|nt|rduran1216: why? the idea is the same. Helness will never ever pitch the A of clubs|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|nt|atabey: but everybody knows helgemo-helness always play this style|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: was a weak two in hearts available?|pg|| nt|kareno: Because of the level of the tournament - diverging from the rules has to be a team initiative. It is normal and not unsportsmanlike to do as Versace did.|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg|| nt|atabey: they play agressive in preempts|pg|| nt|rduran1216: I agree|pg|| nt|ahollan1: actually NO 2M = M+minor great catch Joe!!!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: no multi?|pg|| nt|rduran1216: that's a very fair point|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: 2@D opener = weak 2@H/@S for NS|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| nt|kareno: I know that was Edgar Kaplan's position and he was the last word on ethics for me.|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dA|pg|| nt|barnets: only 12 imps in match and a 17 imp appeal to be heard in dinner break|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: and 30 boards after the long break|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ohhh i just checked schedule long break is between Q3 and Q4|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: news to me (break after quarter 3)|pg|| nt|kareno: I have work and then a baseball game - I'll have to read all about it later.|pg|| nt|rduran1216: appeal?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: better glasses bigger print today none of the breaks really long |pg|| pc|dT|pc|hJ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| nt|rduran1216: sorry I'm late to the show|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|hK|nt|barnets: are you playing base ball Karen ?|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: click on name of table and it will show start time for VIEWER's timezone|pg|| nt|kareno: Noooo watching the local AAA team play|pg|| pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4S964HT9DKJT832CJ4,SAJ8HQJ654D9CKT62,ST73HK7DA54CQ9753,SKQ52HA832DQ76CA8|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfu: Last board, thank you all for watching|pg|| nt|reisig: LAST - of this set|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|nt|reisig: Next set ....not sure --- they will announce it|pg|| nt|Psyck: in about 1 hour 40 mins|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| nt|reisig: Probably start in a tad over 2 hours from now|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| mc|13|nt|reisig: Maybe -- 1 hour and 43 minutes :)|pg|| nt|reisig: If you enjoyed this -- just wait til next season!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: come back for the conclusion at 5:30 CST|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: promises to be an exciting final|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: So long from Chicago|pg|| pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4S964HT9DKJT832CJ4,SAJ8HQJ654D9CKT62,ST73HK7DA54CQ9753,SKQ52HA832DQ76CA8|sv|o|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 15-17|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3C|an|super accept|mb|p|mb|3D|an|retransfer|nt|ahollan1: 2 hours 10 minutes |pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|atabey: quite finish. thx everybody. see you all in 3rd|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: for the many specs who ask appeal is when lauria made an unusual play of not taking his Ace after his partner led at trcic 1 in slam as he thought he was informed declrer had 3 ...|pg|| nt|barnets: cards in the suit|pg|| nt|ahollan1: apologies for misreading schedule - multiple times|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D = TRF, 4+@H [4@H only if 5@S]|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: will restart a little over 2 hours from now, I'm told|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@C = 4-fit|pg|| pc|hT|nt|kareno: Magic fit|pg|| nt|kareno: Okay folks - enjoy! See you all next time.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@D = retransfer|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pg|| mc|13|nt|ahollan1: 3@C also says at most Honor doubleton in @C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: open room still on 27|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Versace, at the end of play, recalls a time 15 years ago when Helgemo took advantage of a penalty card -- friendly feeling at this table and I think Versace doesn't like taking ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: advantage, but there is a lot at stake and he has teammates|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: see you later. We will leave this table open in case the other table crashes.|pg|| nt|Aurora: @H Many thanks to all commentators, operators kibitzers. See you in about 2 hours for the Final - Segment 3 of 4.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: assuming the director's decision will be appealed (safe bet), the appeal will be heard before the 3rd quarter starts|pg|| pg||